imho there should be no weapons which totally disregard the quality
of troops. The Shadow Spinner kills on a 4+. This applies no matter
what kind of save the troops have. This means that this weapon will
be more "cost effective" against more expensive troops. Any effect
which does not actually kill the troops, is ok, but as long as it
kills, it should take into account what kind of troops it kills.
Rune
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nils.saugen_at_... [mailto:nils.saugen@...]
> Sent: 2. november 2001 14:35
> To: netepic_at_yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [NetEpic ML] DE summary
>
>
> Lets' see where did I put that
> file...................................
>
> Aha, Here you go!
>
> Shadow Spinner
> The Dark Eldar employs one type of Titan to add punch to
> their raids; the
> Shadow Spinner. Its main weapon is the Shadow Weaver. The
> Shadow Weaver
> fires an individual web template (this is a special hexagonal
> template).
> Take one template and place it over the intended target (you
> may use LOS or
> fire indirectly when on First Fire orders). The web template
> always scatters
> 2D6 cm whether or not it was fired indirectly. Place the template
> number-side up in the location indicated with the number one
> printed on it
> towards the firing model the attack. The other two templates
> are placed
> joining the original template on a random edge (determined by
> rolling a
> 2D6)- if you roll the same edge twice the second template is wasted.
>
> Any target under a Shadow Weaver template is automatically
> destroyed if it
> does not roll 4+ save on a D6. If the model makes the 4+
> roll, move the
> model to the closest outer edge of the existing contiguous web. Models
> displaced on First Fire orders will not be able to shoot
> until Advance Fire
> (if it hasn't fired already). Titans/ Praetorians and any
> target with a
> saving throw of 1+ are automatically moved to the closest
> outer edge of the
> contiguous web and are not affected by the web (may shoot and
> retain their
> given orders). The web, due to its slow speed ignores
> void/power shields, so
> an immobilised Titan/ Praetorian hit by the web is struck on a random
> location for the highest damage listed in that particular
> template. Infantry
> in buildings roll 4+ as normal to avoid the web; additionally, the web
> remains trapped on the building for the rest of the game
> making the building
> section covered by web impassable. In the open, the web disperses in 2
> turns. To keep track of this place the existing templates to their
> un-numbered sides, and remove any unnumbered ones at the end
> of each turn.
> The web does not block line of sight.
>
> It is also equipped with a Disintigrator (see Ravager rules)
> and a pair of
> Dark Lances.
>
> The Dark Eldar Titan is equipped with a Shadow-field
> generator. The faster
> the Titan moves the better chance of shots missing the Titan
> due to the
> Shadow-fields. Shadow-field saves are taken whenever the
> Titan is hit and
> before any armour saves are taken. This save is not modified by the
> attacking weapon's saving throw modifier. If it is
> successful, then the shot
> has missed the Titan and no damage occurs.
>
> Shadow-fields are useless against barrage weapons. Any barrage weapon
> attack ignores the Shadow-field save for purposes of
> determining damage. On
> the other hand, Shadow-field saves apply to all weapon
> attacks that do not
> use a template and are not psychic attacks, including Warp
> Missiles and even
> multiple Vibro-Cannon shots. The fact that the Warp missile
> does not travel
> through normal space is irrelevant since the Shadow-field
> blocks the sight
> for the fierier and conceals the Titan, and hence the fierier
> may shoot the
> missile to a wrong spot, through Warp or not.
>
> The Shadow-field save values are as follows:
>
> Titan Orders Saving Throw
> First Fire 4+
> Advance 3+
> Charge 2+
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter Ramos [mailto:primarch_at_...]
> Sent: 2. november 2001 15:18
> To: netepic_at_yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [NetEpic ML] DE summary
>
>
> Hi!
>
> Could you post the stats on it?
>
> Peter
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <nils.saugen_at_...>
> To: <netepic_at_yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 7:04 AM
> Subject: RE: [NetEpic ML] DE summary
>
>
> > There is a scout titan type in one of the rules set, we
> have playtested it
> > and it worked just fine!
> >
> > Nils
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Peter Ramos [mailto:primarch_at_...]
> > Sent: 2. november 2001 13:58
> > To: netepic_at_yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [NetEpic ML] DE summary
> >
> >
> > Hi!
> >
> > This is the summary posted previously and there were the following
> reactions
> > to it:
> >
> > 1. Combat drugs should be in card form (great idea by
> Jyrki). We need to
> > define the parameters of how cards are accrued. How cards
> should you get
> per
> > company card? 1, 2 or 3?
> >
> > 2. Shadow skin should be limited, but which units?
> >
> > 3. We need creation of AA and flier units.
> >
> > 4. Titans will they get them?
> >
> > 5. Vote below which variant of a unit you prefer, I will
> tabulate the
> > results and post them.
> >
> > Overall rules
> >
> > Prisoners
> >
> > The Dark Eldar almost always take prisoners during their
> raids. When a
> > unit in close combat with the Dark Eldar is broken, and
> fails it's moral
> > (fallback orders), roll 1d6 for any stands still in Close
> Combat with a
> > Dark Eldar stand in the end phase, on a roll of 4+ the
> stand is taken
> > prisoner and the Dark Eldar player awarded 1 victory point.
> >
> >
> > DE powers
> >
> > The Dark Eldar infantry have several advantages unique to them:
> >
> > Fleet of foot- this permits infantry to move an additional
> 5 cm during a
> > charge move.
> > Shadowed skin- they may only fired upon if the firing unit
> is within 25 cm
> > Combat drugs- as per card
> >
> > Infantry
> >
> > Decide which set of stats to use from the following:
> >
> > Warrior 15 - +1 Splinter Rifles 50 1 5+ -
> > Warrior 10 cm None +1 Splinter Rifles 50 cm 2 5+ 0
> >
> > Scrouge 20 - +1 Splinter Cannon 75 2 5+ -1 Jump Packs
> > Scourge 15 cm None +2 Lascan. 50 cm 2 5+ -1 Skimmer
> >
> > Wyches 15 - +3 Splinter Pistol 25 1 5+ - Elite, Combat Drugs
> > Wych 15 cm None +3 Splinter Pistols/ CC Weapons 25 cm 2 5+ 0 Combat
> > Drugs Elite
> >
> > Grotesque 15 - +4 None - - - - Elite, Stupidity, Special Rules
> > Grotesque 10 cm 5+Fix +5 CC Weapons N/A N?A N/A N/A
> Stupidity Toughness
> >
> > There are two interpretations for this unit
> >
> > These deformed creatures are so hideous that they cause fear. The
> > charged unit must make their morale check or fight at -2.
> Otherwise they
> > are at -1. In addition to being disgustingly ugly the
> Grotesque is quite
> > stupid and must roll a d6 to follow its orders. On a 4+ the
> Grotesque
> > may follow the orders placed for the unit. If the roll is
> not successful
> > the unit cannot move but can fight in CC normally. If a
> Grotesque is hit
> > and fails its save it isn't destroyed yet. Turn the model
> on its side
> > and at the End phase roll 1d6 and on a 4+ the unit gets up
> and continues
> > as if it was never hit. This does not work in CC however.
> >
> > OR
> >
> > Grotesques are not noted for their intelligence. To be
> given orders as
> > normal the detachment has to be within 10 cm of a Command
> unit. If not,
> > roll a d6; on a 3+ the Grotesques receive charge orders,
> otherwise they
> > receive advance orders.
> >
> > Grotesques are inured to pain and shrug off minor wounds that would
> > leave another writhing in agony. Because of this they
> ignore the wounds
> > from weapons without a save modifier.
> >
> > Grotesques are so terrifying that any unit they enter into
> close combat
> > with must make a morale check or go on fallback orders.
> Additionally,
> > enemy troops must succeed in a moral check if they wish to
> try to enter
> > close combat with a grotesque stand.
> >
> >
> > Mandrake 15 - +2 Splinter Pistol 25 1 5+ - Elite,
> Infiltrate, Special
> Rules
> > Mandrake 15 cm None +4 Splinter Pistols/ CC Weapons 25 cm 2
> 5+ 0 Shadow
> > Skinned Fleet of Feet
> >
> > Helion 20 - +2 Hellglaive 50 1 5+ - Skimmer, Combat Drugs,
> Special Rules
> > Hellion 20 cm None +5 Hell Glaive 15 cm 1 3+ -2 Combat Drugs Skimmer
> >
> > Incubi 10 6+ +6 Tormentor Helm/ Punisher 25 1 5+ - Elite
> > Incubus 10 cm 6+Fix +5 Splinter Pistol 2 25 cm 5+ 0 Command
> Elite Morale
> > Bonus
> >
> > Haemonculus 15 cm 6+Fix +6 DestructorCannon CC Weapons 2 50 cm 4+ -1
> > CommandEliteCAF Bonus
> > Haemonculus 15 - +4 Stinger /Destructor 25/Template 1 4 -1/
> (template) 4
> > 0 Special Rules, Commander, Elite Ignores cover to hit
> >
> > Beast Master 20 cm 6+ +2 Splinter Pistols/ CC Weapons 2 25 cm 5+ 0
> > Combat Drugs Psychic satellite
> > Beast Master 15 - +4 Splinter pistol/Agoniser 25 2 5+ -
> Commander, Elite
> > Combat drugs Special Rules
> >
> > Beastmasters are a sub sect of the Wych cult, that fight
> against wild
> > creatures in the arenas of Commorragh. The Beastmasters
> also use combat
> > drugs, but always get the triple charge rate result, in
> order to allow
> > them to keep up with their pack of warp beasts.
> >
> > OR
> >
> > This elite troop controls Warp Beast packs and is enhanced
> with Combat
> > Drugs. They are very fast because they need to be able to
> keep up with
> > the Warp Beasts. The Beast Master is a deadly CC unit and
> must be with
> > 10 cm of the pack she controls. The Beast Master moves and
> shoots like a
> > command unit but can be targeted normally.
> >
> > Warp beast 25 - +5 None - - - - Special Rules
> > Warp Beast 20 cm 5+ +3 None N/A N/A N/A N/A Warp Ability Immune to
> > psychic attacks
> >
> > These creatures are from the Warp and are commanded by a Dark Eldar
> > Beast Master. These evil creatures warp in and out on the
> battlefield. A
> > Beast Master control warp Beasts. When a Warp Beasts moves
> it does so
> > through the Warp. They can move up to their charge rate. When they
> > charge into close combat, their opponent is at -2 to their CAF. Warp
> > Beasts can only be fired at during the Advance Fire phase.
> They can only
> > be pinned by Daemons, psychics and other creatures from the
> Warp. They
> > however can only pin non skimmer infantry/cavalry/walker
> type units. If
> > the Beats Master is destroyed then the Warp Beasts will
> return to the
> > warp. They are immune to all non-physical psychic attacks and have a
> > saving throw that is fixed at 6.
> >
> > OR
> >
> > Warp Beasts are incredibly fast even by Dark Eldar standards. Warp
> > beasts move through difficult terrain just like infantry do, and may
> > enter buildings. If the beastmaster is slain the Warp
> Beasts will charge
> > the nearest unit (friend or foe) in the Dark Eldar players turn, and
> > enter close combat with them. If the pack is forced to fall
> back after
> > the Beastmaster is slain, they will return to the warp, and
> are removed
> > from play.
> >
> > These units only exist in one version of the rules
> >
> > Succubi 15 - +4 Splinter Pistol 25 2 5+ - Commander, Elite,
> Combat Drugs
> > Dracon 15 6+ +4 Terrorfex/Splinter pistol 35 4+ special/ 25 2 5+ -1
> > Command unit, Elite, Soul seeker ammunition, ignores cover
> > Sybarite 15 - +2 Dark Lance 75 2 5+ Special Commander,
> Elite, Special
> Rules
> > Archon 10 cm 5+Fix +6 Destructor Cannon 50 cm 50 cm 4+ -2
> Command Elite
> > Psychic Save Morale Bonus
> > Dark Warlock 10 cm None 0 Shredder Pistol 25 cm 2 5+ 0
> Command Psyker
> > Dark Eldar Lord 15 4+ Fixed +6 Splinter Pistol 25 2 5+ -
> Commander, Elite
> >
> > * Shadowed: This power enables the psyker to hide one
> detachment or unit
> > (not company) from the enemy. The shadowed units appear to
> flicker in
> > out of their shadows thus making them more difficult to hit
> and fight in
> > close combat. When this is used the unit must be within 50 cm of the
> > psyker. The effects last for 1 turn. All enemy units must
> roll a 4+ on
> > 1d6 in order to shoot at Shadowed units. If successful they
> may do so at
> > -1. Shadowed units in close combat receive a +2 bonus to their CAF.
> >
> > * Blinded: This enables the psyker to blind one unit (not
> detachment) in
> > a shroud of darkness. Command targeting does not apply. The
> shroud of
> > darkness will follow the unit for one turn. The affected unit cannot
> > fire or engage in close combat but move. When moving, roll
> the scatter
> > die for every 5 cm the unit travels and move it in the direction
> > indicated. In addition, enemy units can't engage it nor
> fire at it. The
> > psyker must roll a 4+ to be successful. Units that have a
> psychic save
> > must make a successful psychic save roll to negate this effect. This
> > power has a range of 50 cm.
> > * Death Grip: This allows the psyker to attack one unit in
> a detachment
> > within 25 cm. The warlock player must roll a 4+ on 1d6 to
> successfully
> > attack the unit. If successful, the unit is automatically destroyed
> > unless it has a psychic save. Titans and praetorians who
> lose their crew
> > to this attack arena't destroyed but can't move and are at
> -1 to hit for
> > the rest of the game (there are still enough crew members to man the
> > other posts.
> >
> > Fast attack, artillery and dreadnoughts
> >
> > Reaver Jetbike 35 - +3 Blaster 25 1 4+ - Skimmer, special rules
> > Dark Reaver Jet Bikes 35 cm None +4 Splinter Cannon 15 cm 1
> 5+ -1 Combat
> > Drugs
> > Dark Reaper Jet Bikes 35 cm None +4 Splinter Cannons 25 cm 2 5+ -1
> > Combat Drugs
> >
> > Talos 15 5+ +8 Talos Sting 50 D6 4+ - Skimmer, Special Rules
> > Talos 20 cm 4+ +5 Splinter Cannons Splinter Guns 75 cm 4 4
> -2 / 15 cm 4
> > 5+ 0 Skimmer
> >
> > Only one version of these:
> >
> > Shadow Guard 10 cm 6+Fix +2 Splinter Cannon 50 cm 1 5+ -1
> Special Orders
> > Shadow Dreads 15 cm 5+ +3 Dark Lances 50 cm 1 4+ -2 Special Orders
> > Shadow Walkers 25 cm None +1 Lascan./Splinter Guns 75 cm 1
> 5+ -2 / 25 cm
> > 3 5+ 0
> > Anti-grav Splinter Cannon 10 cm None -2 Splinter Cannon 75
> cm 2 4+ -2
> > Anti-grav Vibro Cannon 10 cm None -3 Vibro Cannon 75 cm 1 Special -1
> > Special Rules
> > Splinter Launcher 20 cm 5+ 0 Splinter Mortar 100 cm 1 2
> BP's -1 Skimmer
> >
> > Vehicles
> >
> > Raider 30 cm 4+ +1 Lascan./Splinter Gun 50 cm 1 5+ -1 / 25 cm 1 5+ 0
> > Skimmer Carries 2 Troop Stands
> > Raider 30 5+ 0 Dark Lance 75 1 5+ Special Skimmer, carries 2 stands,
> > Special Rules
> >
> > Special rules in one version of rules
> >
> > The Raider is armed with a Dark Lance, this weapon fires a
> beam of dark
> > energy that annihilates anything it hits. Its especially effective
> > against heavily armored vehicles, who thick armor plates offer no
> > protection against the beam. Due to its unique nature
> targets with a 4+
> > or better save are treated as a 5+.
> >
> >
> > Ravager 25 cm 3+ +3 Lascan./Splinter Guns 50 cm 3 5+ -1 /
> 25 cm 1 5+ 0
> > Skimmer
> > Ravager 25 4+ 0 Dark lance/Disintegrator 75 2 5+ Special /
> Special Skimmer
> >
> > Special rules in one version of rules
> >
> > The disintigrator fires a small particle of dark matter in
> much the same
> > way as an imperial plasma cannon fires super heated plasma. It is
> > however a much more sophisticated weapon and can be set to
> either fire a
> > large bolt or bursts of smaller shots.
> >
> > Weapons Range Attack Dice Roll To Hit TSM
> > Maximal 75 1 3+ -3
> > Sustained 50 3 5+ -1
> >
> > The following two units have only one version:
> > Corsair 20 cm 2+ +4 Destructor Cannons/Splinter Guns 75 cm
> 2 4+ -20 / 25
> > cm 2 5+ 0 Skimmer
> > Raptor 25 4+ 0 Dark Lance 75 1 5+ Special Skimmer, carries 2 stands.
> >
> > Only one version:
> > Super Heavies
> > Shadow 30 2+* +4 ShadowCannonSplinter 100 cm 1 3+ Special
> 75 cm 2 5+ -1
> > Skimmer, super heavy, +3 to Dmg rolls.
> > Shadow Stalker 25 3+ +8 Dark
> lance/Webblaster/Splinterblaster 75 cm 4 5+
> > Special Knight, Shadow field, template template 3+ 0, 15 cm 6 6+ 0
> > Webway portal.
> >
> > DE contribution
> >
> > Enslaver
> >
> > Enslaver is a diabolical vehicle used by the Dark Eldar to
> capture slaves.
> > Like all DE vehicles it is fiendishly fast although weakly
> armored. The
> > Enslaver is armed with net throwers which fire a net of psychoactive
> > wraithcrystal fibres. The net is relatively thin but very
> strong, and
> > contains a psychic charge which renders anybody caught
> inside totally
> > inactive without causing them any physical harm. The
> Enslaver then moves
> to
> > the netted victims and hauls them inside to be transported away.
> >
> > The net thrower fires an individual web template (the Doomweaver
> template).
> > Take one template and place it over the intended target
> anywhere within
> LOS
> > and range. Roll a scatter die and if you roll an arrow the template
> scatters
> > 1D6 cm. Place the template number side up in the location
> indicated with
> the
> > number one printed on it towards the firing model the
> attack. The other
> two
> > templates are placed joining the original template on a random edge
> > (determined by rolling a 2D6)- if you roll the same edge
> twice the second
> > template is wasted. Anything under the template is hit on
> 4+. Since the
> > net's charge is psychic, only psychic saving throws apply.
> The net itself
> is
> > material, however, so it can't be nullified by psychic
> powers. The net is
> > effective only against infantry. Place any stands hit
> upside down. When
> the
> > Enslaver moves within 6 cm it captures any affected stands.
> The Dark Eldar
> > player receives VP for them as per the capture rules.
> >
> >
> > Move: 35 cm
> > Save: 4+
> > CAF: +1
> > Weapons:
> >
> > Net Thrower
> > range 50 cm
> > attack dice: template
> > to-hit: special
> > Save mod: special
> >
> > Splinter rifles:
> > range 15 cm
> > attack dice: 3
> > to-hit: 6+
> > Save mod: 0
> >
> > Notes: Skimmer, special rules.
> >
> > Peter
> >
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