My comments below. Agree on all thing unless otherwise stated.
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> Fra: <jyrki.saari_at_...>
> Dato: 2002/05/07 Tue AM 10:12:19 CEST
> Til: <netepic_at_yahoogroups.com>
> Emne: [NetEpic ML] [v5.0] Imperial revision: marines part I
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> It's time to start the imperial revision. The first list is the Space marine list.
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> Imperial Space Marines
> Infantry
> Space Marine Armor Saves
> Space Marines are the toughest troops of the Imperium. They have genetically altered bodies and special armor connected to their nervous system to protect them against the great variety of weapons used in the 40th millennium. This greater resiliency of them is reflected in their battle statistics in NetEpic; they could not be killed as easily as a meager Imperial Guardsman could, who had no armor. Terminator Armor, which is as strong as a tank, offers even more protection. Combat armored Space Marine Infantry have a saving throw of 6+ in a D6, and Terminators and similar units have a save of 5+, which is modifiable to 6+ but not below that. These armor save values do not apply to Space Marine Scouts and gun batteries, since Scouts do not wear armor, and batteries have vulnerable equipment whose destruction would render their stands useless.
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> >No change
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> Example: a Basilisk barrage hits a Space Marine Tactical stand and a Terminator stand. Basilisks have a -2 Target's Save Modifier. The Tactical Marine, with a basic save of 6+ now has to roll an 8+ on a D6, which is impossible, and destroyed. On the other hand, the Terminator stand has a basic save of 5+. The modified save however does not require a (5+2)=7 but still a 6+ on a D6 since the Terminator armor save cannot be modified below 6. The stand rolls a 6 and saves.
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> >No change here, but IMO it should be added to the core rules that the special rule of rolling above 6 applies to the to-hit rolls only.
> Tactical Space Marines
> Tactical Marines are the most numerous of the infantry and form the core front line troop in most Space Marine forces.
> Models: Tactical Marine and Sergeant models on the GW Space Marine sprue.
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> >No change
> Assault Marines
> Space Marine Assault troops all have jump packs that enable them to move faster and skim above terrain features and man-made obstacles. Their agility and specialized melee weapons make them superior close combat troops.
> Models: Assault Marine models on the GW Space Marine sprue.
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> >No change
> Devastators
> These warriors, armed with long-range heavy weapons, constitute the main support units of the Space Marine infantry. Devastators, hindered by the heavy equipment and weapons they carry, are less effective in close combat than Tactical and Assault marines.
> Models: 1 or 2 Heavy Weapon models per stand with Tactical Marine and Sergeant models from the GW Space Marine sprue.
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> >No change
> Flamer Marines
> These marines are armed with close range flamers and excel at assaulting the enemy within entrenched positions. Models: Tactical or Devastator Marine models on the GW Space Marine sprue (you may add custom weapons to Tacticals or cut out the magazine and back part of the Devastator weapon, and add cylindrical fuel canisters to the back of the models).
------------> How about including theese guys in a company? F ex a flamer company consisting of 2 flamer detachments an one tactical or soething. Just a thought...
> >No change
> Veterans
> These are the elite among the marines of a chapter. With their accumulated combat expertise, Veterans are formidable warriors.
> Models: Tactical Marine and Sergeant models on the GW Space Marine sprue.
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> >No change
> Terminators
> Veterans sometimes don powerful armor known as Tactical Dreadnought Armor. These armored troops are known as Terminators and represent the most capable infantry in any chapter.
> Models: Terminator and Tactical Marine (make sure to paint these differently from line Tacticals) models on the GW Space Marine sprue
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> >No change
> Close-Assault Terminators
> Armed with Thunder Hammers, Storm Shields, and Lightning Claws, Close-Assault Terminators are trained to storm near-impregnable defenses in tight quarters. Every so often, the larger battlefield sees their presence, usually when something big needs to be dealt with. As you might expect, these Terminators can only be purchased as part of a Marine force. When fielded by the Dark Angels they are called Close-Assault Deathwing, and assume the Deathwing morale value.
> Models: Same as above.
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> >No change
> Teleported Terminators*
> Veterans sometimes don powerful armor known as Tactical Dreadnought Armor. These armored troops are known as Terminators and represent the most capable infantry in any chapter. Terminators can sometimes be teleported to the battleground using rare and expensive equipment.
> The terminators may be teleported to any location chosen by the player on the tabletop as a detachment move in any moving phase. Once the location to teleport to is selected roll the scatter dice and 2D6 (as you would for an indirect barrage) to determine the exact arrival point of the terminator detachment. The remaining stands are positioned within unit coherency of the first stand placed (6 cm).
> Models: Same as above.
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> >There was a discussion about this a while ago and I don't remember any cosensus having been achieved. The question is: should a terminator company be allowed to teleport? IMO this could be done, but only one detachment per turn with the HQ being able to join one detachment. The procedure should be tha same as in the Grey Knights rules. A teleporting terminator company should definetely be a special card; a terminator company without landraiders. Its cost should be about the same (teleporting is powerful) but its break point should be calculated to include the terminator stands only, so it would be 7.
----------> I think they should come as a detachment sized Special Card only. They becomes too cheesy otherwise.
> Scouts
> Space Marine Scouts are the initiates that have yet to prove themselves in battle. They may infiltrate after initial deployment up to their full charge move before the battle begins. Scouts do not wear tactical armor and thus are less protected than other Space Marines.
> Models: Scout models on the GW Space Marine sprue, or IG Tactical models on the GW Imperial Guard sprue.
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> > IMO the wording on the infiltration sould be clearer. something like: The scouts often infiltrate the battlefield and sneak near enemy positions to lanch surprise attacks. To represent this the scouts get an extra move. After initial deployment but before the battle begins the scouts may be moved up to their full charge move.
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> In the old rules the scouts could not be moved closer than 5cm to any enemy troops. Has this changed in some revision? I could see the justification of letting the scouts be moved into CC with the infiltration eg. making a surprise assault.
> Summary
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> Tactical:
> Move: 10 cm
> Save: 6+
> CAF: +2
> Weapons: Bolters
> Range: 50cm
> Att. D: 1
> To Hit: 5+
> TSM: 0
> Notes:
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> Assault
> Move: 15 cm
> Save: 6+
> CAF: +3
> Weapons: Pistol/Swords
> Range: 25 cm
> Att. D: 1
> To Hit: 5+
> TSM: 0
> Notes: Jump Packs
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> Devastator
> Move: 10 cm
> Save: 6+
> CAF: +1
> Weapons: Heavy Weap.
> Range: 75cm
> Att. D: 2
> To Hit: 5+
> TSM: -1
> Notes:
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> Flamer
> Move: 10 cm
> Save: 6+
> CAF: +3
> Weapons: Flamers
> Range: 25 cm
> Att. D: 1
> To Hit: 4+
> TSM: 0
> Notes: Ignore cover modifiers to hit
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> Veteran
> Move: 10 cm
> Save: 6+
> CAF: +3
> Weapons: Bolters
> Range: 50 cm
> Att. D: 1
> To Hit: 5+
> TSM: 0
> Notes: Elite
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> Terminator
> Move: 10 cm
> Save: 5+*
> CAF: +6
> Weapons: Storm Bolters
> Range: 35 cm
> Att. D: 2
> To Hit: 4+
> TSM: -1
> Notes: Elite
------------> I find the termies of Netepic too easy to kill and too hard to use. I suggest that we make them harder to kill with a save of 4+ or 5+ fixed.
> Close-Assault Terminator
> Move: 10 cm
> 5+*
> CAF: +8
> Weapons: CC Weapons
> Range: -
> Att. D: -
> To Hit: -
> TSM: -
> Notes: Elite
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> Scout
> Move: 10 cm
> Save: None
> CAF:+1
> Weapons:Bolt Pistols
> Range:25 cm
> Att. D:1
> To Hit:5+
> TSM:0
> Notes: Infiltration
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> >Any need to change any stats?
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> Jyrki Saari
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