Hi,
I agree with Eivind that the Land Raider Crusader should keep its 25cm move,
otherwise we defeat its purpose. Im no IG/SM player though, but i realise
the need for the possibility for faster transports for termies. After all,
why
would the elite warriors be the last to arrive in their slow transports?
You'd
want to utilise their potential with fast and accurate deployment.
Rune
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eivind Borgeteien" <eivind.borgeteien_at_...>
To: <netepic_at_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 8:38 PM
Subject: RE: [NetEpic ML] [v5.0] Imperial revision: marines part III [long]
> Hi
>
> My comments below...
> Agreed unless otherwise stated.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter Ramos [mailto:primarch_at_...]
> Sent: 16. mai 2002 14:14
> To: netepic_at_yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [NetEpic ML] [v5.0] Imperial revision: marines part III
> [long]
>
>
> Hi!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jyrki.saari_at_... [mailto:jyrki.saari@...]
> Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 4:17 AM
> To: netepic_at_yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [NetEpic ML] [v5.0] Imperial revision: marines part III [long]
>
> Since next to nobody has commented on the previous post I take it
> there's nothing wrong with the suggestions. I'll create a couple of
> polls and we'll move along. I'm trying a new format, which is meant for
> the emails only; the book format will not be changed at least by me.
>
> -> I'd really like to see the marine bike entry here. And I'd like to
> see the CAF of the IG bike dropped at least by one. It has always
> bothered me why IG with average CAF of 0 suddenly are as good in CC as
> assault marines when they get to drive a motorcycle.
>
> --->I think this is reasonable, they are cheaper than SM counterparts
> and do the same with the only difference of the morale which is net epic
> isn't that great of a boon anyway.
>
> Bike Squads
> Marines and Imperials sometimes enter battle mounted on motorcycles
> armed with bolters. This augments their close combat skills as well as
> maneuverability. They count as vehicles for terrain restrictions but
> feature greater speed than regular vehicles in some types of terrain
> (see terrain chart). Both Space Marine and Imperial Guard armies use
> bikes.
> Models: Biker models on the GW Space Marine sprue, 2-3 to a stand.
>
> Move: 30 cm
> Save: 6+
> CAF: +3
> Weapons: Heavy Bolters
> Range: 15cm
> Att. D: 1
> To Hit: 6+
> TSM: 0
> Notes:
>
> -> No change
>
> Attack Bikes
> These are larger bikes with a sidecar armed with heavy bolters. They
> count as vehicles for terrain restrictions but feature greater speed
> than regular vehicles in some types of terrain (see terrain chart).
> Space Marines may only use them.
> Models: GW's metal Attack Bike models (bikes with armed sidecars).
>
> Move: 30 cm
> Save: 6+
> CAF: +3
> Weapons: Heavy Bolters
> Range: 25cm
> Att. D: 2
> To Hit: 5+
> TSM: 0
> Notes:
>
> -> No change
>
>
> Dreadnoughts
> Through long millennia of their history, Space Marines developed many
> types of the walking war machines to house the sarcophagi of their
> ancient warriors who continue to serve their chapters in these metal
> bodies of destruction. The most recent of these forms is the
> well-armored sturdy looking Scatolo, which is capable of mounting a
> variety of weapons. Its predecessor is the still widely used model of
> the Punisher (this replaces the standard Dreadnought of previous NetEpic
> versions). The still earlier designs are lighter, sleeker humanoid
> units, based off the same general body from, with different load-out
> variants. The Contemptor is a close assault unit, with quad bolters, the
> Deredeo carries a missile launcher for general heavy weapon support, and
> the Furibundus carries a lascannon for anti-vehicular work. Due to their
> size Dreadnoughts count as walkers for terrain restrictions.
> Models: The models that inspired the above types are the new metal
> Dreadnought models of the GW for the Scatolo variants, older plastic
> ones of the SM/TL range (unavailable now) for the Punisher, and the
> metal models listed under own names in the GW UK catalog for Contemptor,
> Deredeo, and Furibundus. However, feel free to use any suitable 1/300
> model you have from GW and other ranges.
>
> ->When looking at the stats below (the Scatolo) I'd say that the only
> thing these need is a more speedy way to get into combat. The solution
> IMO is to allow the dreads use drop pods. The thought of a dreadnought
> hanging onto a Rhino is just plain comical IMO.
>
> ---> Originally you could put those in rhinos, at least in RT days. I'll
> let people decide there, but they should definitely get drop pods and
> T-hawks.
>
>
> EB----------> Agree, but a Dread detatchment is only four, so Im not sure
> wether a special card is worth it. I think we have to include some assault
> and deattwindpods also. Maybe even a dummy-pod?
>
> Dreadnoughts
>
> Scatolo (heavy)
> Move: 10 cm
> Save: 4+
> CAF: +1
> Weapons: Lascannons
> Range: 75cm
> Att. D: 2
> To Hit: 5+
> TSM: -2
> Notes:
>
> -> This kind of Dread can only have one twin-linked lascannon in 40k. I
> suggest dropping one attack and adding a Storm Bolter for close defense.
>
> ---> Fine by me.
>
> Scatolo (support)
> Move: 10 cm
> Save: 4+
> CAF: +2
> Weapons: Bolters / Barrage Missile
> Range: 25cm/50cm
> Att. D: 3/Template
> To Hit: 5+/4BP
> TSM: 0/-1
> Notes:
>
> Scatolo (assault)
> Move: 10 cm
> Save: 4+
> CAF: +4
> Weapons: Flamer
> Range: Template
> Att. D: Template
> To Hit: 4+
> TSM: 0
> Notes: Ignores cover
>
> Punisher
> Move: 10 cm
> Save: 4+
> CAF: +3
> Weapons: Assault cannon
> Range: 50cm
> Att. D: 1
> To Hit: 5+
> TSM: -2
> Notes:
>
> -> -2 save for an assault cannon??? Might I humbly suggest 3 attack dice
> with 0 TSM
>
> --->Sounds more appropriate at in accordance with weapon
> standardization. An assault cannon is high volume low ppnetration.
>
> Contemptor
> Move: 15 cm
> Save: 5+
> CAF: +4
> Weapons: Heavy Bolters
> Range: 50cm
> Att. D: 1
> To Hit: 5+
> TSM: 0
> Notes:
>
> Deredo
> Move: 15 cm
> Save: 5+
> CAF: +2
> Weapons: Missile Launcher
> Range: 75cm
> Att. D: 1
> To Hit: 5+
> TSM: -1
> Notes:
>
> Furibundus
> Move: 15 cm
> Save: 5+
> CAF: +0
> Weapons: Lascannon
> Range: 75cm
> Att. D: 1
> To Hit: 5+
> TSM: -2
> Notes:
>
> ->Ahhh, Chuck, Eddy and Fury. Suddenly I feel a wave of nostalgia
> overcoming me <sniff!> Does anybody actually use these?
>
> --->I got some laying around, I guess I should get them out and base
> them now....
>
> Robots
> ->even if it is a bit redundant, I'd like to see this one here. In fact,
> the Imperial Wargear section is IMO a bit confusing addition and I
> suggest it is eliminated and the units added to the respective
> armylists.
>
> These represent mechanical battle machines that due to their nature
> require some programming for them to carry out orders on the
> battlefield. Instead of regular order counters they must be given a
> program of what to do in the following situations:
>
> If there are enemies within charge range
> If there are enemies within weapon range
> If there are enemies within sight
> In any other situation
>
> To make a program write down the above situations and select a command
> which applies to that particular circumstance. The following commands
> may be given:
>
> Charge: Charge nearest enemy unit. They must enter close combat if
> within charge range or otherwise move between normal and full charge
> range towards the nearest enemy.
> Capture: Advance towards the nearest objective counter. Can move between
> half and full normal rate.
> Advance: Advance towards the nearest enemy unit. They must move between
> half and normal rate and fire at the nearest enemy unit in the Advance
> Fire phase.
> First Fire: Fire at the nearest enemy in the First Fire phase.
> Ignore: Ignore the described situation.
>
> Each orders phase consult the program (in the order written above) and
> read down the list of situations and apply the first fulfilled condition
> (meaning that if there is an enemy within charge reach this condition
> takes precedence over the "enemy within range" condition). The first
> condition fulfilled for the majority of the robot models in the
> detachment is the one that should be applied (in case several conditions
> apply to different models in the same detachment). Robots are immune to
> morale checks of any type and firing restrictions imposed by Daemons and
> Tyranids. Robots ignore the snap fire penalty.
> Models: Plastic Robot models on the Old GW Space Marine or Imperial
> Guard Sprues or any 6mm to10mm scale robot model.
>
> ->IMO "Ignore" is unclear. What does the robot do? Is it on no Orders?
> (and if it is, what's the point of such a directive?) Also, "capture"
> could be clarified a bit. CAN it move towards an objective or MUST it
> move? If it must move, add the following: If the robot is within 5cm of
> a objective counter it does not have to move any closer. Otherwise we'd
> see nice bundles of robots on top of objectives...
>
> --->I have always hated the robot orders, they are ambiguous and don't
> cover most situations that may arise. The wording is terrible. Any
> clarifications would be good.
>
> EB----------->We also talked about some variants. One close support with
> stormbolters and one heavy support with hvy wpns. This will perhaps be
> discussed later?
>
> Move: 10 cm
> Save: 5+
> CAF: +2
> Weapons: Autocannon
> Range: 75cm
> Att. D: 1
> To Hit: 5+
> TSM: 0
> Notes: Special Rules
>
> -> No change
>
> Land Raider
> This is the main battle tank of the Space Marine army. Besides
> anti-vehicle weapons it can also carry two troop stands.
> Models: GW plastic or metal models of the name
>
> Move: 20 cm
> Save: 2+
> CAF: +3
> Weapons: Lascannon/Bolters
> Range: 75cm/15cm
> Att. D: 2/1
> To Hit: 5+/6+
> TSM: -2/0
> Notes: May carry 2 troop stands
>
> ->No change
>
> Land Raider Crusader*
> The Crusader is a redesigned Land Raider originally built for the Black
> Templars Space Marines Chapter. Its purpose is to carry their
> Terminators safe right up to the enemy's positions and give close
> support to the infantry once unloaded. These tanks are still quite
> uncommon outside the Black Templars.
> Models: Normal GW Land Raider models (or slightly modified to represent
> the bolters in the side sponsons).
>
> Move: 25 cm
> Save: 3+
> CAF: +3
> Weapons: Hurricane Bolters/Assault Cannon/Multi Melta
> Range: 15cm/50cm/25cm
> Att. D: 4/1/1
> To Hit: 6+/5+/3+
> TSM: 0/-1/-2
> Notes: May carry 2 troop stands
>
> ->IIRC this one was discussed pretty thoroughly. However, we could
> playtest a bit different stats just for fun:
> Move: 20 cm
> Save: 2+
> CAF: +3
> Weapons: Hurricane Bolters/Assault Cannon/Multi Melta
> Range: 50cm/50cm/25cm
> Att. D: 2/1/1
> To Hit: 5+/5+/3+
> TSM: 0/-1/-2
> Notes: May carry 2 troop stands
>
> -> Rationale: LRC is not supposed to be any faster than normal LR and
> its armor is actually a bit stronger, hence the speed and save
> respectively. A hurricane bolter is three twin-linked bolters and the
> crusader has two of them. This means that each has the effective
> firepower of a tactical space marine stand, hence the range and attack
> dice. The interesting part is that according to the point cost formula
> bot the current Crusader and my own suggestion should cost exatly the
> same per detachment as the regular LR.
>
> EB-----------> *sigh* Why do I have to keep repeating this? 40K and
netepic
> are two different games with different game mechanics. Yes, LRC is no
faster
> than LR, but then again, in 40K LR and rhinos have both the same movement!
> The meaning with the LRC is to take the termies up to the action and
> therefore a move of 25 wil represent this better in netepic. Do what you
> want with the armor save and weapons, but lets please keep the movement to
> 25! With a move of 20 we are back where we started and there are really no
> reasons for fielding the LRC. We will then get a slow moving unit with
short
> range weapons at a very high cost.
>
> Razorback
> Another heavily armed variant of the Rhino that features longer ranged
> weapons at the expense of diminished troop-carrying capacity. A
> Razorback's weapons are mounted on the same turret therefore shots
> cannot be divided among several targets, they must be fired at the same
> model. Since the turret occupies a considerable space on the Rhino hull,
> Razorbacks can only carry one troop stand. Razorbacks can either be
> fielded as a stand-alone Support Card or added to a detachment
> substituting its normal mode of transport (usually Rhinos) as a Special
> Card. This changes the detachment break point and VP value as listed on
> Army Cards and Composition section below.
> Models: GW plastic or metal models of the name, or a multi-gun turret on
> a plastic Whirlwind chassis.
>
> Move: 25 cm
> Save: 4+
> CAF: 0
> Weapons: Plasma Gun/Lascannon
> Range: 50cm/75cm
> Att. D: 1/1
> To Hit: 5+/5+
> TSM: -1/-1
> Notes: Can not divide fire, may carry 1 stand, Turret
>
> ->No Change
>
> Sabre Tank Hunter
> The Sabre is one of the many Rhino variants available. It does very
> little to up-armor the basic Rhino frame, and instead simply replaces
> the infantry capacity with a standard vehicular autocannon. Light and
> cheap, this unit is sometimes seen in the Space Marine forces.
> Models: Fit a Rhino or Whirlwind models from the GW Space Marine Tanks
> sprue with a single-Autocannon turret or simply use a Predator model
> without side sponsons.
>
> Move: 25 cm
> Save: 4+
> CAF: 0
> Weapons: Autocannon
> Range: 75cm
> Att. D: 1
> To Hit: 5+
> TSM: -1
> Notes: Turret
>
> ->The gun has the stats of a lascannon, so why not call it a lascannon?
>
> ---> Yup, weapon standardization again, if its meant to be an autocannon
> change it to autocannon stats, if not call it a lascannon.
>
> Land Speeder
> This comprises the most common type of skimmer vehicle available to the
> Space Marine and Imperial Guard armies.
> Models: GW plastic or metal models of the name.
>
> Move: 30 cm
> Save: 6+
> CAF: +3
> Weapons: Multi-Melta
> Range: 25cm
> Att. D: 1
> To Hit: 3+
> TSM: -2
> Notes: Skimmer
>
> -> No change
>
> Rhino
> This is the main armored personnel carrier or the Space Marine army.
> Although lightly armed it can carry two troop stands.
> Models: Rhino or Whirlwind (without the launcher and the hole covered
> up) models from the GW Space Marine Tanks sprue.
>
> Move: 25 cm
> Save: 4+
> CAF: 0
> Weapons: Bolters
> Range: 15cm
> Att. D: 1
> To Hit: 6+
> TSM: 0
> Notes: May carry 2 stands
>
> ->No Change
>
>
> Predator
> Built around the successful Rhino chassis it is armed with several
> lascannons and can be seen in Marine and Imperial Guard armies.
> Models: GW metal models of the name.
>
> Move: 25 cm
> Save: 3+
> CAF: 0
> Weapons: Autocannon/Lascannon
> Range: 75cm/75cm
> Att. D: 1/2
> To Hit: 5+/5+
> TSM: -1/-1
> Notes: Autocanon in turret
>
> ->Why does the autocannon have a -1 TSM? It's not as good anti-tank
> weapon as a lascannon (also, see the robot stats). Suggest reducing it
> to 0.
>
> ---> Weapon standardization issue again. It should be "0".
>
>
> Vindicator
> Built in to the Rhino chassis is an enormous gun that fires a large
> shell capable of destroying its target and intervening cover. Shots from
> a Vindicator ignore cover modifiers. This vehicle sees service in Marine
> and Imperial Guard armies.
> Models: GW metal models of the name.
>
> Move: 20 cm
> Save: 2+
> CAF: +2
> Weapons: Thunderer
> Range: 50cm
> Att. D: 1
> To Hit: 4+
> TSM: -3
> Notes:Ignores to hit modifiers for cover
>
> -> Why does Vindicator have a CAF of +2? 0 would be more appropriate
> since it lacks close defense weapons and a turret.
>
> --->I have wondered about this two, it's a siege weapon and should be
> vulnerable. I agree it should be zero.
>
> Mole Mortar
> This is a light artillery piece that instead of firing the shell in to
> the air it send it through the ground to its target; exploding
> underneath them. Due to its method of travel this weapon ignores shields
> of any type. In addition if the target is a Titan or Praetorian if hit,
> roll a further D6 to determine if the target is trapped within the
> crater that is formed by the explosion. On a roll of 6 the
> Titan/Praetorian is trapped within the crater. Trapped targets may shoot
> normally but, if they wish to exit the crater, must do so on Charge
> Orders. Command and Praetorians must forego firing attacks if they wish
> to leave the crater. Space Marine, Imperial Guard and Squat armies use
> this weapon.
> Models: Use GW plastic Mole Mortar model (old Squat sprue) or a
> substitute (a large caliber 1/300 or slightly larger mortar piece fitted
> in reverse) with two Tactical Marines as crew on a stand.
>
> Move: 5 cm
> Save: -
> CAF: -3
> Weapons: Mole Mortar
> Range: 150cm
> Att. D: Template
> To Hit: 1BP
> TSM: 0
> Notes:Fires Barrage, special rules
>
> Rapier Laser Destroyer
> This is a slow multi-barreled weapon that is used to provide anti-armor
> support to infantry advances. Space Marine, Imperial Guard and Squat
> armies use this weapon.
> Models: Use GW metal Rapier model or a substitute (a 1/300 Gatling like
> weapon fitted on a small sized tractor) with two Tactical Marines as
> crew on a stand.
>
> Move: 5 cm
> Save: -
> CAF: -3
> Weapons: Laser Destroyer
> Range: 50cm
> Att. D: 1
> To Hit: 4+
> TSM: -3
> Notes:
>
> -> No change
>
> Scorpion AA battery
> These are modified Tarantula batteries that serve as AA units. They may
> only target Flyers, Titans, Praetorians and units in tall buildings. As
> AA units they may Snap Fire at Flyers as per the flyer rules. Scorpions
> have robotic brains guiding them therefore do not make morale checks.
> Models: Use the GW plastic Lascannon model (Eldar Sprue) or a substitute
> (1/300 single or double barreled laser or a light AA gun) with two
> Tactical Marines as crew on a stand.
>
> Move: 5 cm
> Save: -
> CAF: -3
> Weapons: Lascannon
> Range: 75cm
> Att. D: 1
> To Hit: 5+
> TSM: -2
> Notes:AA unit
>
> -> No change
>
> Stormwind
> The Stormwind is a standard Whirlwind fitted with AA missiles instead
> of the usual barrage missiles.
> Miniature: Use the new GW Whirlwind model.
>
> Move: 20 cm
> Save: 4+
> CAF: 0
> Weapons: SAM-launcher
> Range: 75cm
> Att. D: 2
> To Hit: 5+
> TSM: -1
> Notes:AA unit
>
> -> This is the new unit.
>
> Tarantula
> These are robotic point defense weapons that recognize suitable targets
> and fire in a rapid fashion. To represent this Tarantulas fire in both
> the First Fire and Advance Fire phases (meaning they fire twice in the
> same turn, but in different phases). As any unit in First Fire the first
> shot may be used as Snap Fire. Due to the robotic targeting system the
> -1 penalty to Snap Fire does not apply. This unit may not move and fire
> in the same turn. To move it must be given Charge Orders. Tarantulas
> therefore only receive First Fire orders (to fire normally) and Charge
> Orders (to move), the Advance order is not used with Tarantulas. Due to
> their robotic brain they are immune to morale checks of any type and
> firing restrictions imposed by Daemons and Tyranids.
> Models: Use the GW plastic Lascannon model (Eldar Sprue) or a substitute
> (1/300 single or double barreled laser) with two Tactical Marines as
> crew on a stand.
>
> Move: 10 cm on charge
> Save: -
> CAF: -3
> Weapons: Lascannon
> Range: 75cm
> Att. D: 1
> To Hit: 5+
> TSM: -2
> Notes:Fires both in FF & A phases. Snap fires without penalty.
>
> -> No change
>
> EB---------->We might need some clarification here. How does this work if
> the unit snapfires? Does stil have multiple shots or does i loose it?
>
> Thudd gun
> This is a light artillery piece which pumps out multiple shells in
> succession. Space Marine, Imperial Guard and Squat armies use this
> weapon.
> Models: Use GW plastic Thudd Gun model (old Squat sprue) or a substitute
> (a thick multi barreled artillery piece) with two Tactical Marines as
> crew on a stand.
>
> Move: 5 cm
> Save: -
> CAF: -3
> Weapons: Thudd Gun
> Range: 75cm
> Att. D: Template
> To Hit: 2BP
> TSM: 0
> Notes:Fires Barrage
>
> Whirlwind
> This vehicle is basically a Rhino with a multiple missile launcher
> mounted on the top for extra long-range firepower and support. This is
> the only heavy artillery weapon available to Space Marines.
> Models: GW plastic or metal models of the name.
>
> Move: 20 cm
> Save: 4+
> CAF: 0
> Weapons: Multi-launcher
> Range: 150cm
> Att. D: Template
> To Hit: 2BP
> TSM: 0
> Notes:Fires Barrage
>
> -> No change
>
> Off table barrages*
> These represent standard artillery pieces deployed beyond the confines
> of the table and also orbital or naval artillery. Off-table artillery is
> purchased in two parts - the Barrage Units and the Forward Observers.
> The barrage units are Support Cards while the observers are Special
> Cards (i.e. a limit of one per company). Any other units cannot call
> off-table barrages.
>
> Off table barrage units
> These are abstract units; players do not need models for them and they
> cannot be attacked (counter-battery fire or air attacks are ignored for
> the sake of simplicity).
>
> The Barrage Units are of different types dependent on the size and power
> of the weapons. Each Barrage Unit typically allows an observer to place
> one barrage template per turn.
>
> There are no point costs for the off-board artillery; the Firing Player
> gives up Victory Points for the use of them. Any player planning to use
> Off-Table Artillery must write down, at the start of the battle, the
> number of Victory Points he is willing to give up for those barrages.
> These cards are restricted to 2 VPs per company level card or Greater
> Daemon. This allocation does not affect the limit of the point's value
> of the normal units he is fielding. The player then can call barrages,
> up to his declared maximum, throughout the battle until the total equals
> the declared start limit. These Off-Table Barrages are called in the
> First Fire phase as any other weapon. The barraging player need only
> give up Victory Points for barrages actually used (i.e. Victory Points
> are not paid for unsuccessful calls). See the sections pertaining to
> specific armies for the details on their Off-Table Barrage Units.
>
> Forward Observers spotting for off-table barrages
> The specified Artillery Forward Observers of each army can only call
> off-Table Barrages. See the specific Army Booklets for details. All
> target spotting done by those units should comply with the rules given
> under "Target Spotting for Indirect Artillery Fire" in the Core Rules
> booklet together with the additional Forward Observer rules given below.
> Note that, although spotting is restricted to one target per turn by the
> Core Rules, an observer may call multiple barrages to the same target.
>
> Additional spotting rules for off-table barrages
> If either the observer stand or the vehicle is destroyed then the
> observer cannot spot for Off-Table artillery (but can continue to spot
> for on-table artillery as normal).
>
> For Off-Table barrages only, the observer stand must make a
> communications roll of 3+ on a D6. If the roll is successful then the
> barrage arrives. Use the normal procedure for an indirect barrage.
>
> Due to different communication networks, an observer may not spot for
> both on-table artillery and off-table artillery in the same turn.
>
> Due to the delays involved in communications, if an observer is spotting
> for multiple off-table artillery attacks on one target then the player
> must declare all the attacks before resolving them all in turn
> (effectively, the observer calls down all the fire in one call and then
> hopes for the best). Multiple off-table artillery barrages are not
> combined but are resolved separately (including separate scatter rolls).
>
> If a force has multiple barrages and/or multiple observers then barrages
> are not permanently allocated to specific observers. In each turn each
> observer may call down fire from any or all of the available barrage
> units subject to the targeting restrictions above and the restriction
> that each barrage unit may only fire once per turn.
>
> Barrages are called in the FF phase and one by one as any other weapon.
> Models: Off-Table Barrage Units are not represented as models on the
> gaming table. Instead they are spaceships in orbit that fire a barrage
> down to the surface.
>
> Light Barrage
> Range: Special
> Attack dice: Template
> To-hit: 6BP
> TSM: -1
> Notes: Cost 1VP per use
>
> Heavy Barrage
> Range: Special
> Attack dice: Template
> To-hit: 10BP
> TSM: -2
> Notes: Cost 2VP per use
>
> -> No change
>
> Thunderhawk Gunship
> This is the standard Space Marine flyer for rapid deployment and is
> capable of carrying a full detachment of up to 6 Space Marine stands.
> They follow the rules for flyers and transports.
> Detachments carried in this manner lose their normal transports but
> Break Points remain the same.
> Models: GW metal models of the name.
>
> Move: 100 cm
> Save: 4+
> CAF: +1
> Weapons: Rockets/Battlecannon/Bolters
> Range: 50cm/50cm/15cm
> Att. D: Template/1/3
> To Hit: 6BP/4+/6+
> TSM: -2/-2/0
> Notes: Flyer, carries a full detachment of 6 stands
>
> -> No change
>
> EB---------->We should also specify that it can carry a detachment of
dreads
> and robots.
>
> Drop Pods
> Although not a flyer, deployment and special attacks occur at the
> beginning of the flyers phase. The procedure for landing Drop Pods is as
> follows: The owning player nominates any location on the tabletop and
> rolls for scatter twice. Once the "landing point" is determined the
> player places all remaining Drop Pods anywhere within a 20 cm radius of
> the "landing point". Roll for scatter once for each pod until all pods
> have landed. Pods that land on any models (friend of foe) cause a hit.
> Models that are hit must save at -3 to avoid destruction. When landing
> on a model the pod is unharmed if the victims are regular vehicles or
> troop stands, if the model has active shields the pod is destroyed and
> knocks down one shield, if the model is a Titan/Praetorian with no
> active shields or a Super Heavy/Knight, the pod is destroyed and the
> model receives a hit at -3 penalty to the save. All pods must be
> deployed in the same turn (in other words they all land in the same
> turn) Deathwind Pods must land first and their attack is resolved before
> further pods land (players may resolve Deathwind Pod landings one at a
> time or wait until all Deathwind pods have landed and opened). Pods
> successfully open after landing on a roll of 3+ for each pod. If a pod
> fails to open on the turn landed it may try again at the start of each
> subsequent flyers phase until opened. When placing a pod and rolling for
> it to open the player must state before hand what type of pod (explained
> below) he is rolling for, before any die rolls are made.
>
> Any unit with First Fire orders (except barrage-firing artillery) may
> shoot at "landing" Drop Pods if the unit has range; LOS is not
> required. The results of this fire are worked out before any pods land.
> Any unopened pod that is destroyed (by shooting or close combat) losses
> any occupants and special weapons the particular pod had. Some numbered
> counters might facilitate keeping track of what pod is what.
>
> A Drop Pod company is purchased as a Special Card that is given to a
> Space Marine Company of any type. Drop Pods substitute the standard
> means of transport (usually Rhinos) that are lost. Adding Drop Pods to a
> Company increases its Break Point by +10 and increases the VP value by
> +3.
>
> Pod Types:
>
> Assault; these carry the company's troop stands and command unit. Each
> pod carries two troop stands. These troops disembark on Advance Orders.
>
> Move: Special
> Save: 4+
> CAF: 0
> Weapons: -
> Range: -
> Att. D: -
> To Hit: -
> TSM: -
> Notes: Carries 2 troop stands
>
> Support; these carry a plasma gun platform used for heavy support. These
> guns always fire on First Fire orders and do not move from their
> original landing position.
>
> Move: Special
> Save: 4+
> CAF: 0
> Weapons: Plasma Cannon
> Range: 75cm
> Att. D: 1
> To Hit: 5+
> TSM: -2
> Notes: Always fires in the First Fire segment
>
>
> Deathwind; this is a special one-shot weapon that clears the landing
> zone by spraying the area with deadly explosives. The area of effect of
> Deathwind is a 10cm radius measured from each Deathwind pod (for a total
> of three Deathwind attacks). They land before the other pods and use
> their attacks. They still count for Break Point purposes if destroyed
> even though they are one-shot weapons.
>
> Move: Special
> Save: 4+
> CAF: 0
> Weapons: Deathwind launcher
> Range: 10cm radius
> Att. D: special
> To Hit: 4+
> TSM: 0
> Notes: One shot weapon
>
> A company transported in Drop Pods must be completely landed during a
> single turn (you may not select to leave some units on board).
> Models: GW metal models of several types. For substitutes refer to the
> above pod types passage. These are spherical (1-1.5cm diameter) when
> closed and star (or cross) shaped when open.
>
> -> No change
>
> Titans
> Space Marine armies, lacking effective heavy artillery and long-range
> anti-armor weapons, often field several Titans beside their regular
> troops. These are Warlords, Reavers, and Warhounds that are attached
> from the Imperial Titan Legions, which constitute a part of the
> Tech-Guard in NetEpic. These are fielded as Special Cards (one card per
> company), and bought by the rules given in the Purchasing Titans section
> of the Titans chapter in the Core Rules Booklet. For the details of the
> Titan types and their eligible weapons take a look at the Titans book.
>
> -> The titans are going to their own book IIRC.
>
> ---> the costs and such yes, general rules are in the core rules.
>
> -------->I would really like to have the cost and stats of titans in the
SM
> and IG book in addition to the TG book. It is much easier to keep to one
> book when you are making an army. It wil also prohibit some
misunderstanding
> as you are not allowed to mix armies. (mixing is an optional rule)
>
>
>
>
>
> Eivind
>
>
>
>
> Thunderbolt fighter
> These are the air superiority fighters of the Imperium. As with all
> flyers Thunderbolts do not combine their barrages; firing them
> independently. They follow the flyers' rules and are considered
> thrusters.
> Models: GW metal models of the name.
>
> Move: 100 cm
> Save: 4+
> CAF: +4
> Weapons: Autocannon/Rockets
> Range: 25cm/25cm
> Att. D: 3/template
> To Hit: 5+/4BP
> TSM: -1/-1
> Notes: Thruster, does not combine barrages
>
> -> This has as good CAF as the Eldar nightwing. Since the Nightwing is
> supposed to be superior the CAF should be lowered.
>
> ---> Or conversely the nightwing should be increased. Probably lowering
> this one is better.
>
> Marauder Fighter Bomber
> This flyer is armed with heavy weapons and is suited for strafing runs,
> although it can hold its own in dogfights. As with all flyers Marauders
> do not combine their barrages they are fired independently. They follow
> the rules for flyers and are considered thrusters.
> Models: GW metal models of the name
>
> Move: 75 cm
> Save: 3+
> CAF: +2
> Weapons: Battlecannon/Lascannon/Rockets
> Range: 50cm/50cm/50cm
> Att. D: 1/3/template
> To Hit: 4+/5+/4BP
> TSM: -2/-1/-2
> Notes: Thruster, does not combine barrages
> -> No change
>
> -> Is there any interest to incorporate the new Lightning fighter and
> Marauder Destroyer as optional units?
>
> ---><grin> You BETTER!! I bought the damn things and I DEMAND rules, I
> wont let you escape me on this Jyrki, so MAKE ME RULES!!!
>
> Peter
>
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