Re: [NetEpic ML] New poll for netepic

From: cibernyam <cibernyam_at_...>
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 02:32:16 +0200

Hi,

On behalf the tunnelers poll:

If we are to keep it, the rule should specify "infantry" or "infantry
stands" and not just models. IMHO keeping the word "model", if only infantry
is affected, is confusing.

Anyway, it is not clear. Is it just plain infantry affected? or also light
artillery? also cavalry and walkers? I don't see much difference bettwen an
assault SM and a rough rider for this matter. Are jumpacks/skimmers
affected? Also, does overrun affect skimmers?

Personally, I'm for using a mix of both rules: tunnelers should use the
overrun rule BUT counting as one class higher for the purpose of overrun.

Should there be a Titan/praetorian tunneler (like the hellbore) on the
field, I recommend the opponent army not to keep any SH vehicles in its
near...


On the question on diagrams: I personally prefer plain B&W diagrams rther
than pics for playing rulesets (I mean those that need to be printed again
after some battles), and try to adapt all colour diagrams to greyscale/B&W
where possible. They are more cheap-printer-friendly and easier to modify if
needed. I would keep photographs and colourful diagrams for the beautiful
edition. But that's just an opinion.


Other things that may need revision:

- In the unit activation sequence explanation, it should be specified that
at the end of the movement phase, non-activated units units do NOT have
their orders revealed, thus leaving the opponent to guess the real orders of
any unmoved units that have not been activated. With the present wording it
is not clear what happens at the end of the movement phase.
- I haven't found anywhere any explicit reference that pop-up attacks can
only be made by skimmer units in first-fire.
- In the pinning class section, in the Special Rule: Skimmers box, IMHO the
first sentence should read: "Skimmers cannot(...) themselves skimmers and at
least of the same pinning class". The reason is that IIRC eldar army has
some SH tanks with the skimmer ability, which should not be pinned by e.g. a
small land speeder.
- On page 31, victory points, the optional rule (no enemy units nearer than
15 cm to claim an objective) is used and not the core rule (closest legal
unit to the objective, at least closer than 15 cm, claims objective ). legal
stays for units not in CC or with fall back orders.
- Special ability: Elite (33), it is not specified how many times (each
turn, each battle) can be used the reroll counter. If once per game, it
should be specified as so.
- Titans in Close Combat (36), first it reads that titans are not
outnumbered by anything smaller than knight-class. Next sentence states that
only opposing titans count for adding extra dice in CC. This is
contradictory. I think that the correct sentence is the first, and thus,
only Knights, SH vehicles, praetorians and other titans count for the
purpose of outnumbering. If this is so, second sentence should be corrected.
- It could be worth adding a small example of a CC fight of a Titan against
multiple opponents, probably better if at least one Titan/praetorian, one
knight/SH and some vehicles and infantry (elite and not elite are added)
were present.
- Appendix A, there's a typo in the example box of pinning classes:infantry
has a 5) instead of a 1) and the text is displaced
- Appendix C, I wouldn't try to add all codex lists, since most codex lists
are variable and sometimes optional. Maybe put three or four as an example
and let the reader find codex armies in the appropiate book. On the other
hand, I don't think it's really necessary to list all army possible
alliances in the core book. I think this should be left to each army book.
But that's more an oppinion than anything else.



For the rest, I couldn't see any other problems. Probably I'll try to read
it again after some days (or weeks, real life sometimes is so strange...).
In any case, very good job!!


Albert


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> Page 14 - Tunnelers vs. troops.
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