AW: [NetEpic ML] Dark Angel Ravenwing vs. Saim-Hann Wind Rider Host

From: Dipl.-Ing. \(FH\) Kai Elfers <"Dipl.-Ing.>
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 20:13:11 +0200

Hi nils,

 

i do not know if the wind rider discussion is old or not, and honest, i do
not care. Fact is that all tabletops have a point-system zu create armies.
And i am sure that points should be an indicator for the balance between
both sides in a battle. If you play 3.000 points against 3.000 points, then
the battle will be fair at all. If not, then you can forget the
points-system and you have to think about something else. But if i reduce
the costs for a quantity (such as the wind rider host), then i have to make
the same with all. Either the points are the "master" to have a battle in
balance or not! But i think a better example for this discussion is the
tempest vs. shadowsword comparison. 6 tempest are 400 !!! points cheaper
then 6 shadowsword. And do not tell me that the unit statistic from the
shadowswords are 400 points better! Do not misunderstand me. I think you
have made great deals by increasing the costs for the thunderhawk, drop pods
are not for free anymore. You have to pay the price for titan weapons (it
could not be equal if you arm a titan with a vortex or a gatling blaster)
and many more. But sadly you also have brought many thing imbalances, too.
In my opinion the greatest fault you have made is that you do not only
compare the unit statistics to give the unit a point's value, you make
differences between the races too. The best example for this is the squat
and ork land raider. The ork land raider is 100 cheaper, because?...because
they have a worse moral value??? I do not think, that this is considered by
GW as they invent the points-system. In this case the points are not
"master" anymore and in a fight you have no balance.

 

Regards kai

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Betreff: RE: [NetEpic ML] Dark Angel Ravenwing vs. Saim-Hann Wind Rider Host

 

Aha..

The old Wind Rider discussion appears once again... You have to take
into account the entire army list. Not only compare two units from two
different lists. These types of diffrences can be found throughout all
army lists. BTW the Wind Rider host should be a basic Eldar unit and
not, a Saim-Hann special unit.

Nils

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Subject: [NetEpic ML] Dark Angel Ravenwing vs. Saim-Hann Wind Rider Host

ok, we are talking about to companies of a codex amy, right?

the normal cost value of 2 land speeder and 1 attack bike detachment is
575 points. if i take the ravenwing, then i pay only 500 points, 75
points less then normal and a get a master of ravenwing. i think this
is great at all.

the normal cost of 2 vyper squads and 3 jetbike squads are 1100 points.
if i take the Saim-Hann Wind Rider Host i pay only 650. 450 !!!! points
less then normal. ok, they have no master of ravenwing, but this stand
in no relation due to other codex advantages.

i think you destroy the points relation between the armies and the
points were made for having 2 armies in balance. you can not reduce the
costs for a company by 40 percent!!!

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