It's easy to look down upon the Warhammer Universe, and think these
people a bit stupid. We look at thier superstitions, their god worship,
and find them more than a bit primative.
But, of course, we don't have Demons, Orks, Tyranids, Eldar, and Slaan
attacking us. Or civilization hasn't been destroyed by, to us, harmless
psychics. Our souls do not exist in the Warp. The spiritual and
physical realms do not coexist.
I think that the Imperium is doing what it must to survive. Science,
the psychic, and the spirtual, must all be present in one religion, if
the human race is to succeed. The Emperor understood this.
For us, the Imperial Tarot is strange and wierd. To the Imperium, it is
a tool to divine answers. We cannot understand why a litany must be
proformed for mechanical repairs. A Tech Priest, could not imagine a
machine, without considering the spiritual. Finally, we cannot fully
understand the Warhammer Universe, thank God, because we don't live in
one.
Warprat ;)
hellreich_at_... wrote:
>
> There is no fluf on Tech preist for it would be to boring to read, just like
> you will never see a childs book about fixing a car, GW lets not forget is
> really a childs game. Look at the side of the box it will say for age up to
> adult, hence all the rule changes to make the game easyer to play. Besides,
> the AM preist are forced by the Emperor it keep all technology a secrect
> from all. And though you don't see high tech models for Imp's and Space
> Marines does not mean they don't know the tech to be able to biuld them. For
> I have and some of my freind Imps and Space Mars on jet bikes. Just GW stop
> makeing them, like always and if they still had them forget your power and
> speed of the Eldar for a SM on a jet bike would make easy any Eldar on one.
> Plus humans are smart if my Void sheild works better than a Holo Field why
> give it up, if it aint broke don't fix.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tzeentch" <tzeentch666_at_...>
> To: <netepic_at_egroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2000 5:02 PM
> Subject: [NetEpic ML] Re: Tech Priests [was: Revision Issue: Titans]
>
> > I totally agree with Warmaster here. The Imperium is reduced to science as
> > magic. This does not mean they can't operate their devices and more then
> > giving a car to a 16th century scientiest and HEAVILY detailed
> instructions
> > would make it unusable to him.
> >
> > From the fluff, the true beginning of the Imperial dark age came about
> when
> > the fighting on Mars destroyed the great library the Emperor had built to
> > restore the old knowledge. And since he is now crippled he can't help
> > (although remember he was at times a great scientist).
> >
> > Guess we'll have to wait for the Star Child...
> >
> > Ken
> > ---------------------------
> > There's a war out there, old friend, a world war. And it's not about
> who's
> > got the most bullets, it's about who controls the information. What we
> see
> > and hear, how we work, what we think, it's all about the information!
> > Cosmo, 'Sneakers'
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Warmaster F.I.Z. <cetgi_at_...>
> > To: <netepic_at_egroups.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2000 9:00 AM
> > Subject: [NetEpic ML] Re: Tech Priests [was: Revision Issue: Titans]
> >
> >
> > > At 02.50 22/02/00 -0500, you wrote:
> > >
> > > >Yep. In Rogue Trader there is an interesting example of this. The fluff
> > > >text
> > > >specifies a huge number of rituals which must be done and the very last
> > > >line
> > > >states: "if all this is done properly the device should start when you
> > > >press
> > > >the button labeled "ON"".
> > > >
> > > >Jyrki Saari
> > > >
> > > >-->I disagree here. I think that the tech-priests have a full grasp of
> > > >the mechanics of the various technologies, but have applied a mythic
> > >
> > > Pardon me, but actually the fluff doesn't say this.
> > > Definitely Adeptus Mechanicus doesn't have a full grasp of the
> > > mechanics of the various technologies. That's reserved to Squat
> > > Engineers.
> > > Of course the Tech Priest Magos have a *vague* idea of how their
> > > machines work, and of the base principles of their own field of
> > > application (excuse me my poor wording), but the bulk of the
> > > Adeptus can only chant litanies and press the "ON" button.
> > >
> > > >background to it. It's more like taking a cook book, and making the
> > > >baking of a cake onto a religious ceremony. If they no concept of the
> > >
> > > In fact you don't need to know all the priciples (chemical or
> culinarian,
> > > it doesn't matter) in order to make a cake, if you follow the cook book
> > > (or you have a cake-making ritual) to the letter. Of course you won't be
> > > able to make a different cake...
> > >
> > > >basics, they would not be able to repair, let alone create "new"
> > > >mechanical devices. All that has been done really, is to put a religion
> > >
> > > They have repair (and build) procedures, that, repeated to the letter,
> > > allow them to maintain their devices. And the "new" mechanical devices
> > > created by the AM from the end of the Horus Heresy can be numbered using
> > > the fingers of your hand... Only few Magos of genius managed to enhance
> > > existing technologies (i.e. Tech Magus Voltar recently designed a more
> > > efficent Plasma Reactor), let alone creating or adopting new
> technologies
> > > (the AM tried to copy the Squat Warp-core reactor- the experiment was
> > carried
> > > on Ganymede, and didn't result in a major Chaos invasion of the Solar
> > System
> > > just because Ganymede is the home"world" of the Grey Knights SM
> chapter!)
> > >
> > > Almost any technological advance in the Imperium had been carried on by
> > > the Emperor himself (just look at the Power Armor variants: the first
> > > 7 models had been designed in few centuries, then it took 10.000 years
> > > just to cover the cablings of the most recent model!)
> > >
> > > >around the engineering. They may not call electricity and fusion power
> > > >natural things, but divine powerings from the machine god (which also
> > > >happens to be the Emperor).
> > >
> > > Actually the Machine God isn't the Emperor. The cult is millennia older
> > > tha the Imperial Cult. But the AM worship the Emperor, for he "Knew so
> > > much..."
> > > (Rogue Trader).
> > > I guess that they don't even call them "eletricity" or "fusion Power",
> but
> > > just things like "the breathe of the Machine God" and "The hot spirit"
> or
> > > something like that. Of course Magos Physics will have some knowledge of
> > > how these "supernatural forces" acts, under some circumstances, but
> > > this will be higly intermixed with superstitions and false beliefs.
> > > Like you said in your other post it's not the prayer that gives the
> baking
> > > powder the power to fluff the cake, but instdead the baking powder and
> the
> > > prayer
> > > magically allow the cake to fluff...
> > > It will be just enough to manage to get the machines working, (what
> > matters if
> > > that cable carries electricity or the machine's soul? If it's cut the
> > > machine stop
> > > working/dies regardless of your beliefs/knowledge) but no more.
> > >
> > > >While some of the physics behind all of it
> > > >may have been lost, they still know how to harness and use all that
> > > >"divine power" to their own ends. Zen and the art of Titan
> maintainance
> > > >is a big seller on forge worlds I understand...
> > >
> > > Well, I would say that *most* of the physics had been lost, or at least
> > had
> > > been warped in a way that will be hardly recognizable by modern day
> > > scientists.
> > > What it had been lost is the scientific analysis, the experimental
> method
> > >
> > > They know that if they mount all those pieces in that way, and chant the
> > > right
> > > litanies, then the Machine God will be pleased and will imbue the new
> > machine
> > > a soul that will allow it to work, until its life balance will be
> > destroyed.
> > > If the damage is easily localizable (a cut cable, for example), then the
> > > appropriate ritual (that, coincidentally, includes re-attaching the
> cable)
> > > will heal the wound, and the machine will be able to work again.
> > >
> > > Of course a Magus will try to grasp better the ways these devices work.
> > > "Well, my theory is that with this litany the Generator will be so
> pleased
> > > that it will agree to concede a bit of its life breath, that pass from
> > this
> > > yellow cable. Now, the incense will transform the generator breath into
> > food
> > > for the led, that will now have the strenght to lit up..." but what they
> > lack
> > > is the scientific method ("what will happen if I don't chant the
> > litanies?")
> > > I guess they specifically forbid the experimental method in order to
> > prevent
> > > disasters ("What happens if I connect directly the generator to my
> tongue?
> > > YYYCKES! Maybe I need more incense..." and worse)
> > >
> > >
> > > Just my 0,02 Euros...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Be unpredictabe. If your opponent doesn't know what to expect from you,
> > > he won't be able to counter-act poperly.
> > >
> > > Tactica F.I.Z.
> > > Book 2, Chapter 6
> > >
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