As always a locical explanation.... :)
Well, I would like to point out that I'm not saying that the Slann Magus
does not have a non physical psycich saving throw. I'm simply trying to give
a plausible reason for why they might not have it! And I'm not saying that
they haven evolved either, but just that they have developed different sides
of the psychic arts... The Eldar has also dabbeled in warp technologi, but
has not come as far as the Slann yet.
If you follow your own theory the slann should have acces to all the cheesy
thecnologi of all the other races, and would be able to use whichever they
found best.... Obviouslly the haven't.... and perhaps it's also so with the
non physical savingthrow....
Nils
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Karlsen Rune [SMTP:Rune.Karlsen_at_...]
> Sent: 25. februar 2000 12:46
> To: 'netepic_at_egroups.com'
> Subject: [NetEpic ML] Re: Slann Magus
>
> Well, the way you used history in your previous post to make a point,
> which
> i could easily contradict using the same history, gets us nowhere.
> Don't you think the Slann evolved while the Eldar and all the other races
> did?
> This isn't about whether the Slann interfered with the Eldar or not, it's
> about
> the basics of psychic powers. Obviously, we know little of this in real
> life,
> but we have to assume that they all have some things in common, at least
> in
> game terms. Well, no matter, we'll just have to agree to disagree on this
> one :)
>
> I am certain that non-physical saves are a basic skill for psychers,
> because
>
> when you learn how to best attack, you also learn how to best defend. You
> can't
> possibly learn how to open your mind and use your powers without also
> knowing
> how to close it, else you'd be in serious trouble. And that's what a psy
> save is,
> imho, to close your mind against the intrusions of other psychers.
>
> Rune
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nils.saugen_at_... [mailto:nils.saugen@...]
> Sent: 2000-02-25 11:57
> To: netepic_at_egroups.com
> Subject: [NetEpic ML] Re: Slann Magus
>
>
> But they do, against most physical attacks.
>
> Using history as a factor in explaining why they dont have non physical
> psycic saves is by NO means bogus. Reading the introduction to the Slann,
> they created the other races but left them alone to develop themselves,
> and
> from this I do not think that it's in the Slann nature to meddle with
> their
> creations evolutionary process.
> And why can you be so certain that non physical psycic throws is a basic
> skill. It obviously is so for the Eldar school of thought, but not for the
> Slann.
>
> I would also like any input on this topic from the rest of you!
>
>
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Karlsen Rune [SMTP:Rune.Karlsen_at_...]
> > Sent: 25. februar 2000 10:47
> > To: 'netepic_at_egroups.com'
> > Subject: [NetEpic ML] Re: Slann Magus
> >
> > No, that's not my point. My point is, the Slann are the oldest race, and
> > as
> > such shouldn't necessarily have the most powerful psychers, but they
> > should
> > be good enough to have psychic saves.
> >
> > Using "history" to make a point is imho bogus. The Slann have helped all
> > the
> > races develop, and i could easily make a different story showing my
> point,
> > but
> > i won't since i think it's a waste of time.
> >
> > Whether or not the Slann psychic powers are more related to the warp
> than
> > the
> > Eldar, doesn't help your argument since this is just an aspect of
> psychic
> > powers.
> > There must be a basis for psychic powers, and whether they branch out to
> > study
> > the warp or whatnot they still have the basic knowledge and the "feel".
> > They
> > must
> > have, otherwise they simply wouldn't be psychers.
> >
> > As for humans being the strongest race, check out the new D&D 3rd
> edition,
> > where
> > all demihuman level limits have been removed. Finally i might say. I've
> > always
> > thought it was wrong to portray for example elves as superior magic
> users
> > in
> > the books, while the actual game didn't represent this. Well, i guess my
> > point
> > here is that if the humans have superior psychers/magic users, it is
> only
> > based
> > on the fact that they are so many! A good example to illustrate my point
> > here
> > is the U.S and Russia. These two countries have so many people, they're
> > bound
> > produce some of the best athletes in the world, based on statistics
> alone,
> > and
> > so they do.
> >
> > In my mind this i a logical question. Psycher=psychic save,
> non-psycher=no
> > psychic
> > save unless a special unit (Avatar or whatever). To discuss so called
> > "history"
> > is in my opinion a moot point.
> >
> > I'd like som feedback from some of the other gamers on this please :)
> >
> > Rune
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nils.saugen_at_... [mailto:nils.saugen@...]
> > Sent: 2000-02-25 10:01
> > To: netepic_at_egroups.com
> > Subject: [NetEpic ML] Re: Slann Magus
> >
> >
> > Your point is, that beeing the creators of all other races the slann
> > should
> > have the greatest psychers in all the fields of the psycic arts.
> >
> > Lets look into that; The slann created the Eldar as a race with high
> > psychic
> > awareness. Then left them to their own. As the Eldar evolved their
> psychic
> > powers grew stronger and took a different shape than that of their
> > creators.
> > Finally the Eldars psychic powers even surpassed that of the Slann. So I
> > do
> > believe that if even if the Slann is the oldest of the races they do not
> > nesseserely have to have the most powerfull psychers. Furthermore their
> > study of psychic powers is more linked to the warp, than that of the
> > eldar.
> > And as a gather from the rules, of a more physical nature, making them
> > vunerable to the more suptle powers represented by non physical psycic
> > powers...
> >
> > As for the astropath, the humans are always the strongest race in any
> game
> > enviroment I've ever seen. This is because they are the most cunning,
> > adabtable, ambitious and cruel race around. The Eldar has the highest
> > number
> > of psychers, the humans the bes, and the others are specialised in
> their
> > own fields according to the nature of their race.
> >
> > Nils
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Karlsen Rune [SMTP:Rune.Karlsen_at_...]
> > > Sent: 25. februar 2000 09:15
> > > To: 'netepic_at_egroups.com'
> > > Subject: [NetEpic ML] Re: Slann Magus
> > >
> > > I disagree. I think all magi/psychers should have a psy save. After
> all,
> > > they are
> > > bred and raised as psychers with an exeptional understanding of
> psychic
> > > abilities.
> > > ALL psychers should have psy saves imho, it's simply in their nature.
> > > You'd
> > > be hard
> > > pressed to find another psycher from the other armies w/o a psychic
> > save,
> > > except
> > > perhaps the ones who rely solely on physical psychic powers (weirdboys
> > > etc.).
> > > Slann magi aren't that great compared to other magi (ie. the
> Astropath,
> > > Eldar Warlock),
> > > and given that the Slann are even older than Eldar again, i think they
> > > would
> > > know
> > > a thing or two about psychics...After all, isn't it a recurring fact
> in
> > > most
> > > RPG's, the
> > > oldest races are the ones who have the most advanced magical
> > > powers/psychic
> > > powers?
> > > I'm not saying that the Slann Magi should surpass all others in
> psychic
> > > aptitude, i'm just
> > > saying they should have psychic saves. It's only logical.
> > >
> > > Rune
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: nils.saugen_at_... [mailto:nils.saugen@...]
> > > Sent: 2000-02-25 08:45
> > > To: netepic_at_egroups.com
> > > Subject: [NetEpic ML] Re: Slann Magus
> > >
> > >
> > > Well the lack of a psychic savingthrow seems to be the Slann Magus
> > > weakness.... With all the other benefits I think this is a balanced
> > unit.
> > >
> > > Nils
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Karlsen Rune [SMTP:Rune.Karlsen_at_...]
> > > > Sent: 25. februar 2000 08:21
> > > > To: 'netepic_at_egroups.com'
> > > > Subject: [NetEpic ML] Re: Slann Magus
> > > >
> > > > How hard is it to get LOS on a titan from 75cms range? He could
> easily
> > > > stand
> > > > 5 cms behind
> > > > som other inf. , so that he cant be shot at (HQ unit) and happily
> fire
> > > > away
> > > > with his thrice damned
> > > > little head.
> > > >
> > > > Rune
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Lorenzo Canapicchi [mailto:canapi_at_...]
> > > > Sent: 2000-02-25 08:12
> > > > To: netepic_at_egroups.com
> > > > Subject: [NetEpic ML] Re: Slann Magus
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Karlsen Rune wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Don't the Slann Magi have any psychic saving throws?? An Eldar
> > Warlock
> > > > for
> > > > > example, can pin a Slann titan on a 4+ without any kind of
> > > > > save?!?!?!?
> > > > >
> > > > > Rune
> > > >
> > > > AFAIK it must be on LOS to do it, and that's not really a good
> > position
> > > > :)
> > > > Anyway I should say that a Librarian can _destroy_ one of my Phantom
> > > > Titan or revenant titan with a mind blast without any save possible,
> > but
> > > > the point is that a model must be in a particular position and
> > > > situation, generally not so easy to gain, to do it.
> > > >
> > > > --
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> > > > mailto:canapi_at_...
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