RE: [NetEpic ML] Re: New file uploaded to netepic

From: Tom Webb <mail_at_...>
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 21:02:45 -0000

Having seen the stats on Horus Heresy, (2 attack and 5 defence) I think it
would be interesting to have a hugely defensive army. Obviously it would
have to have restrictions on the support cards it could take because with
the chaos offensive units it would be too powerful. How about we say it is
chaos squats only no support?

I think it would be interesting to see them with two gods, Khorne and Nurgle
and have some specialist versions of classic units for each god. For example
the Collosus could be equipped with a huge Nurgle Plague cannon to rain
death upon it's foes whilst Khornate Collosi could field Cannons of
Khorne??? maybe a rule would have to be introduced to stop them blowing up
the Collosus, too much of a risk.

Gretchin are there slaves and form the bulk of their force, being the only
tactical troops the chaos squats have, (EG: No Warriors). The Chaos squats
have Khorne Berserkers leading there assaults (cause fear?) and how about
Nurgle Molemorters, instead of firing an artilery shell under ground they
release a stand of nurglings at the location where the shell emerges. (5+
the nurglings are killed in transit)

Nurgle Gyrocoptors could have plague bombs which they bomb on bombing runs.
Say they could place a barrage marker directly behind them. Khorne could
have short ranged rockets or assault cannons.

What do you think folks?
  -----Original Message-----
  From: Hellreich [mailto:helreich_at_...]
  Sent: 18 January 2001 22:19
  Subject: Re: [NetEpic ML] Re: New file uploaded to netepic

  Heh Heh >:-) (evil grin) Yes some units need to go or be replaced with
some what less ranged punch, and more of a short ranged wacking power. As
fluff they are supposed to be the great Chaos machanics so I feel they
should follow on one God, just rewarded for fixing equipment, knid of like
Fibius Bile. When I said Titans I ment more on the line of Knight class,
slow moving fire bases, short and stocky, and of course only as specials.
Very few demons, of there own, and only be able to allie with Chaos Marines.
As for the bikes I think they would keep these this is one of the stunties
flavor adders, but replace them with demon steeds or something on this line
with a shorter move, and no ranged attack. Lots of fire type weapons to be
made and used, with one big Peratorian tank, slow moving short ranged heavy
hitter. Special slots can be filled with Centaurs (heavy weapons), Tech
Sorcerers ( can repair), Dwarf Lord( small things +1 to hit, +1 CC, help
pass rally checks), And The Knight size Titans.
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: nils.saugen_at_...
    Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2001 1:12 AM
    Subject: RE: [NetEpic ML] Re: New file uploaded to netepic

    Now we are talking......

    Chaos squats, should be based on the Squat army list, but we must take
care to remove some of the most unique Squat units. This to make sure that
the Squats retain their uniqueness and to give Chaos Squats their own
flavor. I'm guessing that the guild bikers, and some of the superheavies
should be the first to go. Secondly we should decide if the squats should be
followers of a specific chaos god or not. I think CS should be followers of
either Slaanesh or Khorne. I think shlaanesh would be the best choice. They
could have their own deamon engines as the focal point of the army, I dont
think Titans is the way to go, as this seems sort of unsquattish to me.

    Well that's my initial thoughts on what would make a good Chaos Squat


     -----Original Message-----
    From: Eivind Borgeteien [mailto:eivind.borgeteien_at_...]
    Sent: 17. januar 2001 19:07
    Subject: Re: [NetEpic ML] Re: New file uploaded to netepic

      Chaos Squats!
      I would absolutly like that!

      It has to be a stand-alone list though, with some exclusive qualities
to differ the list from regular squats and chaos renegades. A list which
just added chaoscards to the squats would be a bad sollution.

      I cant think of any such qualities right now, but I would definately
want to se a such list!

        ----- Original Message -----
        From: Hellreich
        Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 8:53 AM
        Subject: Re: [NetEpic ML] Re: New file uploaded to netepic

        nope go to the shed and get the shovel out, whynot bring back the
good old chaos stuntties in full. Make them another part of the chaos list,
with some bikes and tanks of there own. I seen some good battletech minis
that would fit the bill for a stunty Titan. HHuumm I need to finish the
project that I'm on now but, seems we could make a list for them.
          ----- Original Message -----
          From: Shawn Zumwalt
          Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 3:50 PM
          Subject: Re: [NetEpic ML] Re: New file uploaded to netepic

          Well then, perhaps those chaos dwarves can only maintain
effectively what they themselves field, or at least what is fairly close?
Have I dug myself a big enough hole yet?


          "Sometimes there just ain't enough rocks"

            ----- Original Message -----
            From: Peter Ramos
            Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 3:26 PM
            Subject: Re: [NetEpic ML] Re: New file uploaded to netepic


            Actually according to the fluff, chaos dwarves are the ones who
maintain their equipment. So technically they can still have all their
original equipment in working order.


            Shawn Zumwalt wrote:

OK. This lurker is going to step out on the chopping block. I could seethe
CSMs getting T-Hawks and teleportation abilities if you're playing aHorus
Heresy-era army. They've turned to chaos but haven't gotten all ofthe chaos
abilities. This would essentially mean they are regular SMspainted in chaos
colors. You could even do this with IG. SHV and all, butno demon
armies.Outside of the Heresy, I would imagine the equipment would just wear
out,with no way to replace it. I can imagine a Beastman trying to repair
aT-Hawk. "Hey, Lard-breath, give me the electro-spanner" "Lard-breath,
why you..." Sounds of delicate equipment breakingAnyway, that's my story
and I'm sticking to it. I'll just fade back to mylurking.Shawn"Sometimes
there just ain't enough rocks"teznet_at_earthli!
nk.netshawn.zumwalt_at_...----- Original Message -----From:
<deaconblue3_at_...>To: <>Sent: Tuesday, January 16,
2001 1:32 PMSubject: Re: [NetEpic ML] Re: New file uploaded to netepic
'Ere we go again! Amazing how somethings never seem to go away isn't it?
Anyway, I'm one of those who likes to get some more for Chaos,especially
CSMs. Now, for my take on things, I'll try and go issue byissue. 1.
Transports. Rhinos, LRs, etc should only be available andusable by CSMs. I
just can't really see Demons or the monstrous critters(trolls, Minotaurs)
getting in or out of them easily, or willingly. LikeOgryns, they shouldn't
be able to use them (Ogryns don't like darkcramped places, like rhinos).
Rhinos should be part of the Chaos list,available for use by CSMs only.
2. The infamous T-Hawk issue. Well, I do think Chaos should getthem, but at
an increased point cost (x2 at least), with the restrictionit be used solely
by CSMs. No transporting Demons or monstrous types.Also, they should only
be able to get 1 for every 1000 points or so ofCSMs (and!
SMs on!
ly. Points for the others don't count). 3. Chaos can't get
everything in the Imp lists. No Imperators,no SHVs (imagine a Chaos army
with a CI or Leviathan, plus Shadowswordsand baneblades, YIKES!), and much
of the "newer" parts of the Marine listare also unavailable. 4. The
"combination" issue. Chaos and the Imps are supposed tobe the big nasties
of the universe. Chaos and Imps should match upalmost equally against each
other. That's the fundamental theorem of howthe 40K universe is. Eldar are
good, but lack umbers. Orks aremediocre, but have lots of numbers. Squats
are somewhere in between.Bugs are nasty, running the gambit across the
spectrum. Never used orplayed against Slann, but they should be in the same
category as theEldar. The Imperials generally use combined arms,
drawing from thevarious organizations to form a force. IG with Marines and
Titansupport. (I still don't think the !
TG should be separate army). Yes,they do operate individually on a regular
basis, but the "norm" is forcombined arms. Chaos is similar. The four
powers have their own uniqueflavor, and the combine to form Black Crusades,
or raids on worlds. It'sthe nature of the beast as it were. I still
find the issue of combining lists somewhat off center.the issue I think is
not the lists, but the players involved. As Peterhas pointed out on several
occasions, there is no truly "invincible" armyout there. Since I started
playing, I have always played a combinedIG/SM army. I lose as often as I
win. Same applies for when I playChaos. Chaos needs more support, with
only the Khorne Demon engines, andthe only fliers being Silver Towers, Fire
Lord, and Doom Wings (none ofwhich are all that great). With out these
additions, you can usuallydefeat a Chaos army with lots of artillery,
pounding them to bits beforethey ever get in!
 CC. I know, I've done it. Also, Chaos really doesn'thave an AA unit, so
they are highly vulnerable to air power. Play balance is all fine and
well, when it makes sense.Sometimes however, play balance gets sacrificed to
fit the concepts. Ifyou want true play balance, play Heresy era only, using
only the Imperiallists against other Imperial lists. Or just play Eldar vs
Eldar. That'splay balance. still, even if using identical army lists, play
balance isskewed by the players themselves. Experienced vs inexperienced,
or justa difference in styles alters the balance. A good player can win
nomatter the armies being used under most circumstances. Random dice
alsofactor in too don't forget. No offense intended here, but I see
most of the arguments againstsomething as whining over an inability to
defeat certain armies (orplayers). Changing the rules so you can win on a
regular basis is muchmore cheezy than!
 using what's in the army lists IMO. Not that I amsaying that is the case,
I don't know for sure, but that is how itappears at times. OK, I think I've
run my corse for now....Josh RMinister for General Mayhem"Don't let the
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