Re: [NetEpic ML] Chaos Marines: a bargain & typos

From: Eivind Borgeteien <eivind.borgeteien_at_...>
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 03:13:34 +0100

Hi!
I use the tac SM much more than any other troops because I find the very versatile, they have great range, good CAF and of course, we play by the rule that any weapon can down a shield. I usually prefer the tacs over the assaults because I dont think their +3 CAF over +2 CAF justifies the loss of 25 cm weaponrange.

Quite frankly, I think the price should go down for the assault company (650 would be OK) or the CAF should go up to +4 That way they could start being usefull....

Eivind
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Albert Farr� Benet
  To: netepic_at_yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 2:54 AM
  Subject: [NetEpic ML] Chaos Marines: a bargain & typos


  Hi everybody,

  I haven't taken a look to slann rules deeply, so I'm not gonna talk about Kroxxigors or whatever they are called.

  Yesterday I was talking with a friend of mine about Cheese and Chaos, as lately there has been some discusion about it on the list (which I agree is good, Peter ;-) ), and we concluded that Chaos Space Marines are a bargain so,

  I'm going to talk about the cheapest unit in Space Marine: Chaos Marines Chapter (old card)

  First of all, I have to notice that Chaos Space Marines chapter cards don't have break point nor morale value which I think this is more important to have printed on the card, than troop stats which anyway is also on the book.

  But all of you that find kroxxigors too cheap take a look to Chaos Marines vs a company of tactical SM:

  Tactical SM (SM for now on) and Chaos Marines (CM for now on) have the same move, same armour save, same weapon range and same number of attack dice(and same morale value? well, there are some who are more or less inmune to demons).

  All other stats are clearly favoring CM:
   - +3 CAF vs +2 CAF
   - 4+ to hit vs 5+ to hit
   - -1 STM vs 0 STM
   - elite unit vs "normal" unit
   - special company power vs no special power
   - 500 points for 15 stands plus a Chaos Champion vs 600 points for 18 stands plus a HQ unit (I removed 150 points from rhinos)
   - 150 points for 5 stands (150/5=30 points for every stand!!!) vs 200 points for 6 stands (200/6=33,3 points for every stand!!!)(without rhinos (+50 points))

  I rarely see Tactical SM being used (because of their poor shooting -they can't even be used to take down shields-, their comparative low CAF -Assault are equally priced- and little specialization. If any Marine player has used them in more than 5 battles he could tell me) but I think they are correctly priced. I DO NOT think Chaos Marines are correctly priced, they should cost at least 650 points the company and 225 the support card. Also, look at IG support company: same number of stands, same STM, same move, aprox. same to hit probability (1 dice 4+=50%, 2 dice 5+=56%), much lesser morale, Chain of command rule, less CAF, no elite, no special power, the only good point to IG is weapon range (is it really worth a plus of 50/100 points?) Cost for a support card 200 points (200/5=40(!) points every stand). Cost of a Company 600 (say...50, points for company HQ?)

  The only BUT anybody can throw to me is, that you have to purchase a Primarch, but you had to purchase greater demons anyway, no? Except from the special power, all CM are the same with these rules, so with a medium army (4k+) you get some of them.

  Isn't it beautiful?

  I think we should use Chaos Space Marine Army cards instead of old ones. I think there were some Chaos Space Marine army rules in NetEpic 3. I think they should be used instead of these ones. Or use SM cards as CSM, so a tactical Chaos Space Marine company would be equal to a loyal tactical marine company, but, that's true, without a special power.

  Albert

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