RE: [NetEpic ML] Kroxigors

From: peter ramos <ramospeter_at_...>
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 11:24:30 -0500

Hi!

Unfortunately this puts us in the same position as we started with and why the rule was changed in the first place. Once you go down that path you have to decide what poers can and cannot efect, you end up with too many rules or to may exceptions.

Like I said before the, what is gained by the Necron is minimal, you make them immune to 2-3 powers out of all the powers available, a help, but not classifiable as cheese.

As Eivind said, "lets close the deal".

Peter

>From: Trygve Bj�rnstad
>Reply-To: netepic_at_yahoogroups.com
>To:
>Subject: RE: [NetEpic ML] Kroxigors
>Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 15:07:36 +0100
>
>In the fluff, chaos powers aren't merely morale based, but in fact magical
>powers and should therefore affect all kinds of creatures. The morale test
>is a way of checking whether the power functions or not...
>
>Trygve
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nils.saugen_at_... [mailto:nils.saugen@...]
> Sent: 15. mars 2001 15:08
> To: netepic_at_yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [NetEpic ML] Kroxigors
>
>
> Hmmm, according to the fluff Necrons are infact sentient robots, they
>have no fear since this is removed from their program. I would wote for
>keeping them without a moralscore.
>
> Nils
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Trygve Bj�rnstad [mailto:trygve_at_...]
> Sent: 15. mars 2001 14:59
> To: netepic_at_yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [NetEpic ML] Kroxigors
>
>
> I'm in! (what a shock:-))
>
> Trygve
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Eivind Borgeteien [mailto:eivind.borgeteien_at_...]
> Sent: 15. mars 2001 15:05
> To: netepic_at_yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [NetEpic ML] Kroxigors
>
>
> This would work for me, but Im not quite sure on wether we should let
>the necrons be woulnerable for chaos attack or not.
>
> We could perhaps give them a moral value of 1. That way they dont fall
>back but have a slight chance of being affected by the chaos powers.
>
> Im sure Rune will disagree on this point :-) but what does the rest of
>you say?
>
> Eivind
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: peter ramos
> To: netepic_at_yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 2:21 PM
> Subject: RE: [NetEpic ML] Kroxigors
>
>
> Hi!
>
> Hmm.. I seem to have misinterpreted the desires of the group on this
>issue. The original problem came to pass regarding if Necron's, who are
>fearless (no morale value) would be affected by morale based powers. I
>thought that it was desired that they would be (no I see that
>interpretation was wrong) and changed the wordig to reflect that.
>
> I have no problem with re-wording it so that unit units who are
>fearless are immune to morale based powers. It seems Necron and non-Necron
>players alike want this (of course it extends to fearless units of all
>armies).
>
> Now the wording will be as follows: Units without morale values
>(fearless) are NEVER required to make morale checks or save versus powers
>that use the units morale as a saving throw.
>
> The wording in the chaos books will all revert back to morale checks
>(there is no need for a morale save now).
>
> The rules are much simpler this way, especially from a wording point
>of view.
>
> It seems that is what is wanted. If there is a dissenting opinion
>let be known now.
>
> Opinions?
>
> Peter
>
> >From: nils.saugen_at_...
> >Reply-To: netepic_at_yahoogroups.com
> >To: netepic_at_yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: RE: [NetEpic ML] Kroxigors
> >Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 07:33:22 +0100
> >
> >Hi Peter,
> >
> >Yes I know this is how you think it should work, and if thats the
>way
> >NetEpic wants to go that is just fine with me!
> >
> >However, I think that is an misinterpetation of the intention
>behind the
> >rules, so I disagree with your solution!
> >
> >We hav just decided to go the other way around in our group!
>Defencive
> >powers takes precedence, thus a confessor, inquisitor, mork head
>(or was it
> >gork) and other powers that makes units immune to moraltests
>infact, gives
> >the unit a moralscore of "-" thus making it immune to all types of
> >moralbased checks. You may call it a house rule, no score no check.
> >
> >Nils
> >
> >PS: IMHO there should be no doubt on this topic in the first place,
>the
> >wording from GW is pretty Clear! So this is IMO a change in the
>rules and
> >ought to have been put through a poll!
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: peter ramos [mailto:ramospeter_at_...]
> >Sent: 13. mars 2001 14:41
> >To: netepic_at_yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: RE: [NetEpic ML] Kroxigors
> >
> >
> >
> >Hi!
> >
> >First I think that wording is confusing. It should read, the
>Kroxigor is
> >immune to fear and terror and non-physical psychic attacks. This
>wording is
> >direct and to the point.
> >
> >I'm not sure what you mean Nils, I thought we cleared this up. The
>unit
> >protected by a confessor may be immune to morale "checks", but not
>morale
> >saves. Any unit with no morale, is immune to morale checks, but
>still rolls
> >a morale save with a value of "1" (this was placed in the revised
>core rule
> >section). Since most chaos powers still effect on a save roll of
>one, even
> >unit with no morale value can still be affected.
> >
> >I thought the wording was clear on this. Is it?
> >
> >Peter
> >
> >
> > >From: nils.saugen_at_...
> > >Reply-To: netepic_at_yahoogroups.com
> > >To: netepic_at_yahoogroups.com
> > >Subject: RE: [NetEpic ML] Kroxigors
> > >Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 14:26:20 +0100
> > >
> > >Oh MAMA
> > >
> > >PAPA has got a brand new bag of GOODIES!!!!!!!
> > >
> > >Once we are back at the chaos morale/power topic. I read through
>the
> > >confessor rules again. To me it seems that a detachment joined by
>a
> > >confessor loose its moralscore. So for all practical reasons that
>infantry
> > >unit has a morale of "-". Meaning it indeed is immune to all
>types of moral
> >
> > >tests, terrortests or whatyoumaycall'em.... I also suspects this
>applies to
> >
> > >the Inquisitors.... Wording in the Space Marines Armies of the
>Imperium is:
> >
> > >"any imperial unit within 25cm of the Inquisitor will
>automatically pass
> >any
> > >moraltest" remember this is from the days before one differed
>between moral
> >
> > >checks for breaking and terrorstest. Any moral test beeing the
>key frase,
> >as
> > >this would indicate the same effect as for the Confessor.
> > >
> > >Further neither the Connfessor nor the Inquisitor has got a moral
>score!!!!
> >
> > >
> > >Nils
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: Hellreich [mailto:helreich_at_...]
> > >Sent: 13. mars 2001 17:06
> > >To: netepic_at_yahoogroups.com
> > >Subject: Re: [NetEpic ML] Kroxigors
> > >
> > >
> > >it means that they negate the powers of the Chaos units. Like
>Pleague
> > >Marines have nurgle rot, this is then negated. It only works for
>the auras
> > >or specific chaos cards. Auras are things that make you test for
>morale
> >when
> > >within a set cm range, since the Kroxigors are just to dumb, and
>protected
> > >by the warp field from the warp claws they never need to test for
>any of
> >the
> > >auras.
> > >Examples are:
> > >the Primarchs powers are useless against them
> > >Plague bearers powers are useless
> > >Chaos specific Marine cards are useless
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Karlsen Rune"
> > >To:
> > >Sent: Monday, March 12, 2001 10:53 AM
> > >Subject: [NetEpic ML] Kroxigors
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi!
> > > >
> > > > Just a little question : When it says that kroxigors ignore
>any
> > > > demonic auras, exactly what does that mean? They have
> > > > no weapons, so they can't FF on a charging demon anyways.
> > > > Does it only mean they are immune to the morale/terror
> > > > checks?
> > > >
> > > > Rune
> > > >
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