I know this is mainly a rules dicussion (with the exception of the amusing beer thread) but I thought you might like to know about my efforts to make it cleat to GW that we're not happy. It's called (for right now) the GW Price campaign. I have a list of a few items that can be used to replace WFB minis and have asked for people to submit more. This doesn't really apply to Epic cuz there isn't much substitution but I thought you might like to know. It's at http://www.geocities.com/Area51/6272/gwprices.htm thx in advance for assisting in this venture, it benefits us all ---------------------------------------------------- David Koontz koontz@... http://www.geocities.com/Area51/6272 "I find your lack of faith distrubing" -Vader ----------------------------------------------------