I've been threatening to run some Ogre testbeds.
So here's the first. I think 2 Reavers would've beaten
the Ogre flat (probably at the cost of one though).
Which (I'd think) puts an Ogre's tentative pt value between
400-600.
Other tests to try:
o about 500 pts worth of Leman Russ's.
o about 500 pts worth of Superheavies.
o about 500 pts worth of Eldar titans.
o about 500 pts worth of heavy infantry and/or space marines.
o A Warlord titan.
I tried to include all the idea's that have been bandied
about.
Hope it helps,
DarylL
p.s. The summary is at the end.
The great Heathen Ogre vs. Imperial Titan matchoff!
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In this corner the Mk III Ogre
Showing up with:
Move 20cm CAF +8
1 Primary Battery (100cm, 2 attack dice, 3+ hit, -3, +2 dmg roll)
4 Secondary Battery (75cm, 2 attack dice, 4+, -2)
6 AP weapons (15cm, 12 dice, 5+, 0)
2 Missiles (150cm, 9BP, -3)
Rules as differing from current Heathen list:
Treads 48 with each loss of 12 dropping speed by 5cm
Making flashback on secondary's 7+
Ogres get +1 on all armor saves.
In the other corner the Reaver Titan
Showing up with:
Move of 20cm CAF +12
4 Void Sheilds (repairs on 4+)
A Volcano Cannon (100cm, 1 attack dice, 3+, -4, +3 dmg roll)
A Gatling Blaster (75cm, 4 dice, 5+, -1) (on the Carpace)
A Power Fist
pts. 150 + 60 + 100 + 15 = 325
Tactics:
The Ogre's tactics is to stay away from the better CAF of the Reaver,
while using it's missiles and primaries to strip it of void shields
and killing it from a distance. The Reaver's is to charge in and
use it's Power Fist and higher CAF to tear the Ogre apart.
The "field" is open with a starting distance of 120cm, the Reaver will close
20cm a turn (until it gets within charge range), the Ogre will just
stand and fire (like a giant pillbox).
Turn 1:
Ogre delays until advance fire.
Reaver moves to range 100cm
The Ogre fires first, being a command unit (not that it matters much).
Primaries roll 3, 6
2 Void shields left
2 Missiles fires 9 BP a piece.
rolls of 5, 2
0 Void shields left
The Reaver returns fire
rolls a 1 and misses.
Repair
Reaver repairs 2 void Shields (6,6,3,3)
Turn 2:
Ogre fires
Primaries 5,6
0 void shields left
Reaver moves to range 80cm
Volcano cannon rolls a 5 (smack!)
Aiming for primary battery (up, left) misses.
Repair
Reaver repairs 3 void shields (4,4,6,3)
Turn 3:
Ogre waits for advance fire.
Reaver moves to range 60cm.
(Ogre wins initiative so fires first).
Primaries 3, 5
1 voids left.
Secondaries (1,3,6,6,4,1,3,3)
0 voids, 2 hits, aimed at head. Save roll of 4 saves, roll 1.
Damage of 3 (CAF 1/2ed)
Reaver fires:
1 volcano (2).
Gatling (2,4,4,1) 2 hits.
Aimed for primary (first lands left, next lands up).
Saves (5, 5) both save.
Repair:
(5,2,4,4)
3 void shields repair.
Turn 4:
Ogre fires
Secondaries:
(6,3,3,5,2,4,1,1) 3 hits.
all void shields gone.
Primaries:
(1,4) 1 hit.
aimed at head, save of 2.
Damage roll of 6+1+2 = 9.
Dead Reaver.
Summary:
o Okay, I actually ran this twice, the first time I only gave the
Ogre 2 secondary batteries, and the Ogre lost. The
Reaver just ran up to it and pounded it flat. Once the Reaver
got into CC, the Ogre is pretty helpless. It's really a question
of whether the Reaver's void shields hold and/or repair.
o The Reaver couldn't hit the broadside of a barn with it's
Volcano cannon (the weapon which is best able to gut an Ogre).
I expected the Ogre to lose something fairly early on.
o The Reaver also didn't hide behind buildings or attempt to move in
such a way that not all the secondaries could fire on it (this is
actually a big deal, since it's the secondaries that continually
brought down it's void shields).
o Perhaps the Ogre needs to be more vulnerable to hits. I'd be
tempted to make it have flashbacks with more regularity
(1-2 no flashback, 3-4, cybernetic, 5-6 reactor) for
flashbacks occuring on primaries and secondaries. I'd
also be tempted to make the conning tower flashback to the
cybernetic core only on a 3-6 (to bring it more in line with the
above two). Or else just have a guaranteed flashbacks on primaries
and secondaries (1-3 cybernetic, 4-6 reactor).
o Please point out any rule mistakes I've made?
o I'll try to run it again sometime soon (removing any/all of the
mistakes I made in this run).
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