Re: [NetEpic ML] Second Ogre update

From: Daryl Lonnon <dlonnon_at_...>
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 13:34:31 -0700 (MST)

> Coming next week. Along with the proposed changes I have to correct a few
> typos.
>
> Jyrki Saari

Cool! I look forward to it.

Just keep in mind that my comments are just that ... comments.
Sometimes not even all that well thought out comments :-).

Feel free to disagree (preferably with an attached reason :-).

I ran (a couple) more testbeds (but only one with the latest rules).

The summary of it:
o 1 Ogre MkIII against 2 companies of Leman Russ's.
o The Ogre breaks a company in Turn 1, return fire destroys 1/2 the
  secondaries and the main battery. (Broken company then flees).
o Turn II sees the Ogre lose it's remaining secondaries and most of
  its AP's.
o Turn 3-7 sees the Ogre charging to ram tanks, it's treads are
  damaged. After the treads are sufficiently damaged, the
  Ogre is assumed to be dead (since the Tanks will be able to
  retreat and fire faster than the Ogre can move).

Observations:
o I also kept track of how the battle would run with the Ogre only
  getting 1 dice per secondary. It'd didn't matter much.
o At 1200 pts the MkIII is not invincible.
o The Ogre didn't seem to lose treads fast enough. Perhaps add a
  damage table entry for tread damage were a 5-6 results in double
  tread damage (like the Superheavy critical hit table).

The long verions of the testbed follows (in case people want to see what
dice rolls were):

The great Heathen Ogre vs. Imperial Tank matchoff!
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In this corner the Mk III Ogre
Showing up with:
Move 20cm CAF +10
1 Primary Battery (100cm, 2 attack dice, 3+ hit, -3, +2 dmg roll)
4 Secondary Battery (75cm, 2 attack dice, 4+, -2)
[ results in brackets show weakend Ogre weaponry
  (75cm, 1 dice, 4+ th, -2 tsm) ]
6 AP weapons (15cm, 12 dice, 5+, 0)
[ 15cm, 6 dice, 5+, 0 ]
2 Missiles (150cm, 9BP, -3)
[ 150cm, 6BP, -3 ]

Rules as differing from current Heathen list:
Treads 48 with each loss of 12 dropping speed by 5cm
Making flashback on secondary's 7+
Ogres get +1 on all armor saves.
Where ever there is a flashback, they occur twice as likely (and
conning tower flashback occur on a 3+).

In the other corner Leman Russes
Showing up with:
2 Companies of Leman Russ Tanks (1200 pts)
20 Tanks total.
Move 20pts, 3+ +2 CAF
Battle Cannon 75cm 1 dice, TH 5+ TSM -2
Lascannon 75cm 1 dice, TH 5+, TSM -1
Bolters 15cm 1 dice, TH 6+, TSM 0

Field:
Starting 80cm apart. Open field.

Tactics:
The Ogre will attempt to destroy divisions that haven't fired.
While the Leman Russes will try to strip the Ogre's weapons away.
Missiles will assume to cover 2 tanks each.
Another assumption is the tanks will always have advance orders
(in order to keep the Ogre within range, since the Ogre would normally
be trying to keep the range between 75-100).

Turn 1:
Tanks Advance (into 75cm range).
Ogre fires in FF phase.
Missiles (4 tanks covered) (2+ [4+] needed): (2,3,4,3)
4 [1] hits (6+ save), (4,4,3,6) 3 [1] killed.
Primaries:
(3,6,6,2) 3 hits, (6+ save) (5,1,1) 3 more killed.
Secondaries:
(5,3,1,1,2,5,1,4) 3 [1] hits (5+ save) (5,5,5) all save.

Tanks return fire.
1 company at 10, 1 company at 4 [6].
Battle Cannons (5+ th)
(2,5,6,3,4,4,3,6,2,3,4,6;4,3) 4 hits
Aimed at Primary (1st: left, 2nd: right, 3rd: right, 4th: up)
Saves on secondaries (4+): (5,4,2) 1 penetration, dmg (4) Battery
Destroyed
Saves on Conning Tower (3+): (5).

Lascannons (5+ th)
(4,2,5,4,5,6,2,5,5,5,2,1;4,2) 6 hits
Aimed at Primary (1st: hit, 2nd: right, 3rd: up, 4th: hit, 5th: down,
 6th: hit)
Saves on Primary (2+) (4,1,4). dmg 5 Battery destroyed.
Saves on Secondary (3+): (4) saves.
Conning Tower (2+) (5). Saves
Saves on AP (5+) (1). dmg 4 (2 AP's destroyed).

End Phase:
Company that Broke Rally of (2).

Turn 2:
Ogre Fires (2 Secondaries)
(2,3,4,5) 2 [0] hits
Saves (5+) (6,3) 1 destroyed

Tanks Fire
9 [10] left
Battle Cannons
(4,1,6,1,4,6,1,2,4;3) 2 hits
Aimed at Primary (1st: left, 2nd: up)
Secondary Save (4+): (1), fails dmg (6) Battery Destroyed.
Conning Save (3+): (4)

Lascannons
(2,5,2,3,2,4,5,6,2,1): 3 hits
Aimed at middle AP weapon (1st: down, 2nd: left, 3rd: right)
AP saves on (4+) (1,4): dmg (3), 1 AP destroyed.

Turn 3:
Ogre Charges (range 55cm)

Tanks Fire
9 [10] left
Battle Cannons
(4,4,1,4,5,2,4,5,1;3) 2 hits
Aimed Center AP (1st: hit, 2nd: down)
Saves 5+: (1) dmg (4) 2 AP's destroyed (all AP's destroyed (Ogre gives
up half it's VP)).

LasCannons
(1,2,6,6,1,3,4,1,6,6) 3 [4] hits
Aimed at right Tread. (1st: hit, 2nd: hit, 3rd: hit [4th: up])
Saves (5+) (1,1,5), 4 tread damage.

Turn 4:
Ogre Charges (range 35cm)
Tanks Fire
9 [10] left
Battle Cannons
(2,2,5,2,3,6,4,5,1;5)
LasCannons
(5,2,6,2,1,1,6,3,6;2)
3[4] and 4 hits, against right tread.
(1: hit, 2: hit, 3: hit, [4: hit], 5:hit, 6: hit, 7: down, 8: up left)
saves (1,4,2,[6],3,1), 3 * 3 + 2 * 2 = 13 treads destroyed, 17 total.

Turn 5:
Ogre Charges (range 20 cm)
Tanks Fire 9 [10] left (at front right tread)
Battle Cannons
(4,6,3,6,3,4,4,3,1,1)
LasCannons
(1,5,5,3,4,1,1,2,1;6)
2 hits and 2[3] hits
(left,hit,hit,down,[hit])
saves: (3,3) 5 more treads destroyed, 22 total.

Turn 6:
Ogre Charges (range 5 cm)
Tanks Fire 9 [10] left
Battle Cannons
(2,1,6,1,2,6,1,4,4,3)
LasCannons
(2,2,5,4,3,6,2,5,5,5)
Bolters
(6,5,4,1,4,6,1,2,6,5)
2 hits and 4[5] hits and 3 hits
(hit,hit,up,right,up,hit,[down-right],hit,hit,left)
6+2+3 = 11 treads, 33 total (speed at 10cm).

Turn 7:
Ogre Charges and Rams (probably can get about 3 tanks).
Remaining tanks will retreat and fire, retreat and fire until
Ogre is destroyed.

Ogre loses.
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