Hi!
I wonder why they can apply that model to BFG and not epic, really strange. I wonder if that game flopping is a sore point for Jervis. then again it wasn't his fault and more GW's policies.
Peter
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From: <waltz_at_...>
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Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 8:57 AM
Subject: Re: [NetEpic ML] GW, play testing, and cticism
> Jervis seams to get realy ratty if anyone crticises Epic.
> Look at BFG on the other hand most of the items in the BFG mag are written by players. If you want to see people power in action I suggest you join the BFG list cause I have seen poll results there translate into a number of rules changes.
>
> Walter
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> > Well, I've seen the reactions of GW staffers when they come over to the
> > States for tourneys or Games days. I actually heard one staffer say that
> > "You Yanks play the games all wrong." They always seem amazed at the way
> > that non-UK players put together armies and their styles of play. At one
> > time I asked about play testing. At that time I was told it was all
> > handled in house, and that they didn't farm out their play testing. As
> > Peter pointed out, this is bad game design. Case in point: WH40K 2nd,
> > and the Wolf Guard Terminator with Assault cannon and thunder hammer.
> > This error should have been caught in play testing, but the play testing
> > was done entirely by the designers, so they failed to see the issue, as
> > they already knew it wasn't possible. Based on experience, GW never
> > truly accepts outside criticism, from anyone. The general attitude is
> > "we're the professionals, and we know best." And if you do make a good
> > suggestion, they often cop it for themselves, giving little, if any
> > credit, making it entirely "their own idea and innovation." It's
> > happened before. A few years ago there was a half baked idea to get the
> > Epic community to get together and buy as many shares of GW as possible,
> > to force them to bend to our will. Unfortunatley, we spent all our $$ on
> > minis, and had nothing left to spend on stocks. GW is slowly pricing
> > themselves out of the market. As companies like I-Kore and others get
> > more widely distributed, GW sales will fall off, especially here in the
> > States. Plus, the move by mainly historical companies into the fantasy
> > realm, such as Old Glory and West Wind, and severely under cut GW prices
> > (Old Glory 25mm Historicals generally run _at_$28 for a bag of 30 minis),
> > their market share will decrease even more. GW's saving point at this
> > time is their "super store" agreement with WOTC/Hasbro. They still hold
> > a big edge in terms of marketing and distribution, as well as
> > availability. GW-US has slowly been forcing out the independent
> > retailer, in favor of centralized super stores, as evidenced by changes
> > to the ordering procedures and order minimums. Now, who here remembers
> > when GW was just TSR's UK distributor?
> >
> > Josh R
> >
> > "No matter where you go, there you are." B.Bonzai
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