Hi!
The rule only applies to super heavies and other vehicles, its -2 from
the rear and -1 from the sides. It makes flanking a big deal. So the
slann should always try to flank via warp jump and hit from the weak
side. Even a weapon with no save modifier is lethal from behind.
Titans and praetorians have templates and this penalty does not apply,
but the saves from behind are usually pretty bad (a titans reactor is 4+
from behind, hit it with a -2 weapon and it only saves on a 6).
Peter
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Subject: RE: RE: [NetEpic ML] Re: more questions :)
Hi
Titans and Praetorians also get a -2 modifier to their armor
when fired upon from behind? This is news to me. I was taught how
to play by Nils and Eivind, and they've never played with that.
I guess that means they also get a -1 modifier from the side, huh?
Suddenly titans and praetorians seem to be easier to take out.
It isnt always a given that one will be able to warp around the
back of a unit though, specially one which will almost always stand
just behind your opponents setup line. I still dont think one unit
should cost more than the two units would separately though,
especially when it costs 2/5ths more, no matter how you explain
the strategy one should use.
Rune
>
> Fra: "Peter Ramos" <primarch_at_...>
> Dato: 2002/04/09 Tue PM 02:17:45 CEST
> Til: <netepic_at_yahoogroups.com>
> Emne: RE: RE: [NetEpic ML] Re: more questions :)
>
> Hi!
>
> Also, remember we need to increase the prices on praetorians, it's a
> well known fact they are grossly underpriced. So the leviathan should
be
> your test subject, since it should cost 500 points. It SHOULD lose
> against the colossus since that unit should cost around 700 points. SO
> its not much of a question of it not being worth 500 points, its that
> your test subjects are grossly underpriced.
>
> Also, in case of the super heavies, a combination of the "see warp
gate"
> power and firing from behind (with the additional -2 to the armor
saves)
> should make quick work of them. In battle in open ground favors the
unit
> with more dice to fire, part of the slanns defense is to warp jump
> around cover to close the gap and either fire from the side or rear to
> gain the benefit of weaker armor.
>
> Peter
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rune Karlsen [mailto:rune.karlsen6_at_...]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 6:21 AM
> To: netepic_at_yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: RE: [NetEpic ML] Re: more questions :)
>
> I did a battle between a company of 3 shadowswords as well (they also
> cost
> 500).
> The SMM lasted either 1 or 2 rounds, and generally killed one SS, or
> damaged
> two.
> That Volcano Cannon is lethal :)
>
> Rune
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rune Karlsen" <rune.karlsen6_at_...>
> To: <netepic_at_yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 11:37 AM
> Subject: Re: RE: [NetEpic ML] Re: more questions :)
>
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > Ive done a mock battle between a Slann Mage in Mech(SMM) and a
> Colossus(C)
> > (they're the
> > same price and both special cards). I've assumed they're at 75cms
> range,
> and
> > only firing at eachother.
> > Now, the SMM usually manages to get a nullify missile in, which
> reduces
> the
> > C's chances to hit,
> > and usually takes down either one or two shields per turn (of which
> half
> are
> > regen'ed). So, for the
> > SMM to get in a shot, it takes it about 6 turns to get the C's
shields
> down.
> > By that time the SMM
> > is toast. It may survive a few rounds (i even got it to last 4
rounds
> one
> > time) due to its warp shield
> > and 1+ save, but it's no match for the C's. I do recognize the fact
> that
> > head-on testing isnt always the
> > best way to test units. The SMM has some other powers as well, which
> can
> be
> > used to help other
> > Mechs warpjump and such. But, it just doesnt have anywhere near the
> > resiliency or firepower that
> > the C's has, and is a piece of cake to wipe out in close combat
(which
> is
> > easily done if you have to
> > use the SMM offensively, since no other armies have so few
> detachments.
> > Eventually, you have to
> > move the SMM, and then it has to stay put and take it). So, in
> conclusion
> :
> > This unit costs 500.
> > It is a mage in a heavy mech. A mage would cost about 150, and a
heavy
> mech
> > costs 167 points.
> > Reason dictates that it shouldn't cost more than the two combined,
it
> should
> > probably cost less,
> > given that it is one unit, not two.
> >
> > The Time Mage really has to be tested in combat, since its a do or
> dont
> > unit.
> >
> > Rune
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Peter Ramos" <primarch_at_...>
> > To: <netepic_at_yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 5:29 PM
> > Subject: RE: RE: [NetEpic ML] Re: more questions :)
> >
> >
> > > Hi!
> > >
> > > Yes. Please playtest them, that more than anything will be the
final
> > > arbiter.
> > >
> > > I think I'll make a little mock battle of the weekend a slann mage
> mech
> > > versus a Colossus or leviathan, see how effective it is.
> > >
> > > Peter
> > >
> > > Peter
> > >
> > >
> > > Yes, i agree completely. Its just that some people hear the
> > > word "Slann", and they immediately go into fetal position.
> > > I will gladly playtest the Slann mage in a mech and the time
> > > mage in a mech at 500 points a pop, just to prove that they
> > > are a waste of points. Hey, lets test a 500 point Slann Mage
> > > in a mech against a Leviathan or Colossus, they're about
> > > the same cost. That'd be fun ;)
> > >
> > > Rune
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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