Hi!
Like, you I've played against and for the orks for years. There is a lot
of truth in what you say. I can win with orks, buts that because I
underwent a rigorous "training" with them to be able to reach that
point. Also the worse defeats I've faced were precisely with orks. While
I wouldn't change their organization as it is, I would fine toon some of
their units. Its okay to have "wacky" units with numerous malfunctions
and such, but they should have a beneficial payoff In the same degree.
Every army we review has different issues:
Imperial armies- these are more of a question of adding all the newer
stuff made by Forgeworld as well as things made by list members.
Chaos- their issues is more of organizational, as in what gods may
antagonize each other as well as the chaos marine structure.
Orks- a review of the "usefulness" of orky units. There's a lot of units
that aren't being used.that's not good..
Slann organizational overhaul and unit fine-tuning.
Squats- praetorians are underpriced!
Eldar and Tyranids don't seem to have too many problems thus far.
This revision more than those in the past will be more of an issue of
the army lists than the core rules. So if you think the core rules
revision will be long wait to we get to the army lists!
Peter
-----Original Message-----
From: Maksim-Smelchak [mailto:Max200_at_...]
Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 8:13 PM
To: netepic_at_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [NetEpic ML] Ork Clans Cards Vote
Heya,
I've had the same feeling that much of the Ork stuff is "undesirable."
Our Ork player in the beginning day of 2nd Edition Space Marine always
played for the fun of it and winning wasn't his objective. As long as
some of his units did something unpredictable or potentially
embarrassing to the other side, he was happy. He also particularly
enjoyed knocking down buildings with the Gutbustas on his gargants. I
played Imperials back then (IG, SM, Squat).
Now that I have my own Ork stuff, the only real reason I play some of
the lamer clans is for the fun of fielding their crazy looking
detachments. The old Deathskull command rule made them particularly
turdy, but I like their paint job! :) LOL. The Snakebites are about the
same to me.
During my first league back in the early 1990s after the demise of
Adeptus Titanicus, we used to spot the Ork player a large number of
points or let him jazz up some of his units with extra stats (like the
cards used to give). I know that many other players have used the Orks
successfully, but I guess our league was just not Ork-inclined.
I'm for allowing a lower threshold number before additional clans can be
chosen. Even better would be to make up some new clans. Another option
would be to allow a larger number of cards for Ork players (it adds to
the random disorderly nature of Orks).
Cheers to all,
Maksim-Smelchak.
-----Original Message-----
From: brandu [mailto:brandu_at_...]
Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 4:34 PM
To: netepic_at_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [NetEpic ML] Re: [v5.0] Core Rules: Ork Clans Cards Vote
Heya,
Okay, the voting part can wait till the Orks book as long as we remember
to back-track to the main rules concerning the outcome of the vote and
duplicating units.
As far as the issue that some clans "suck". That was myown personal
feelings about the Snakebite Clan. I am pretty sure that someone whose
preference is towards
Close Combat doesn't mind the fact that Snakebite Clanhas a +2 CAF. They
would go along decently with the GoffClan on a CC mission.
Now, their Clan specific "Detachments" on the other hand...
The Boarboyz are the best of the two, with a +4CAF they are a little
better at CC but are also a little slower than bikeboyz(20cm) Points
score is about right being even with the Bikeboyz at 100. I personally
would still field the bikes.
The Squigoths on the other hand... Cost 50points more thana like
numberof Gutrippa's. Are slower, It's CAF is higher(a 5 vs a 4) but at
10cm a move is likely to be dead longbefore CC. Niether the Bombards or
the Swivel guns have a negative TSM, and the possibility of a 'rampage'
after being wounded is real deadly to my own forces considering the way
Orks Command Rule works...
Maybe I am not being fair to them. I don't know. I can see where,
against no Save having troops they could beuseful I guess considering
the shear amount of shots they
can make.
The way that Ork Clans and their Detachments are purchasedand controlled
makes for a much different 'mentality' thanrunning, say, IG or SM's as I
am sure that you know.
Tell you what. I will try taking the Snakebites for mynext game and I'll
let you know my feelings then.
Brandu.
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