Yes, I have spent many hours playing Steel Panthers in the Campaign mode.
It is great fun. I prefer the Germans because of all their cool toys
(tanks). When I want a challenge, I usually opt for the Americans, because
their tanks are usually inferior to their German counterparts.
Brian A. Evans
----- Original Message -----
From: Warprat <warprat_at_...>
To: <netepic_at_egroups.com>
Sent: Monday, December 20, 1999 3:07 AM
Subject: [NetEpic ML] Re: Defense Lasers and Tank Guns
> Brian,
>
> I believe you are correct. Have you ever played the computer game Steel
> Panthers? If you play the long campain, you can go through the entire
> war. Computer game are GREAT for integrating all the charts, tables,
> modifiers, etc... into a painless computer computation. Of course
> there's nothing better than playing a real human opponent.
>
> Anyway, as you no doubt know, the British had two types of tanks, the
> heavy, slow, Matilda types (supported infantry), and the fast, fairly
> lightly armored tanks, like the A series. Some of the fast tanks and
> armored cars sported heavy machine guns, without the usual 2 pounder.
> They escorted the tank destoyers. Machine guns are much better infantry
> killers than HE rounds. Heavy machine guns could even destroy lightly
> armored tanks and APC's, sometimes. But of course the British system
> didn't fair to well, because it was too easy to isolate and destroy one
> element or the other. Tanks without HE rounds were defenseless targets
> for infantry and anti-tank guns. Later British tanks were quick to
> include the HE rounds.
>
> Those who do not learn the lessons of war are bound to repeat the
> mistakes. :)
>
> Warprat
>
>
>
> Brian Evans wrote:
> >
> > The only 'real world' Main Tank Gun I can think of that did not have a
High
> > Explosive (HE) Shell designed for it is: the British 2lbs. Gun. The HE
> > shell is a fragmentary round that is used against infantry. It is made
to
> > explode upon impact and throw shell fragments in a wide area, just like
HE
> > Contact Artillery shells. All you have to do is get close and you have
a
> > chance of causing casualties. It has almost zero armor penetration
> > capabilities, though.
> >
> > I am trying to find out what the SOP is, between HE rounds and Armor
> > Penetrating (AP) rounds. My gut tells me that if mainly infantry are
> > expected you would use 60% / 40%, HE to AP. If tanks were expected in
> > numbers, the ratio would probably be 40% / 60%, HE to AP. I will try to
> > find out what the SOP on this is and report back.
> >
> > Can anyone else think of a real world main tank gun that did not use HE
> > shells?
> >
> > Brian A. Evans
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Tzeentch <tzeentch666_at_...>
> > To: <netepic_at_egroups.com>
> > Sent: Friday, December 17, 1999 3:48 PM
> > Subject: [NetEpic ML] Defense Lasers and Tank Guns
> >
> > > From: <jyrki.saari_at_...>>
> > > > JS: I don't think it is that simple. There has been discussion how
hard
> > it
> > > > is to hit infantry with a 120mm cannon. Sure, if you use APFSDS it
IS
> > hard
> > > > but who is stupid enough to do that? A HE round from a 120mm is
another
> > > > thing. Lascannon would probably have a hard time hitting infantry
but a
> > > > volcano cannon (defence laser) wouldn't. In AT/SM1 it used a
template.
> > So
> > > I
> > > > don't think a save modifier is a good measure of accuracy.
> > >
> > > Umm, huh. HE? What? Beehive flechette rounds maybe. But tank guns are
not
> > > designed to be used against infantry. The tracking systems in tanks
are
> > not
> > > designed to be used against infantry and neither is the ammunition. If
the
> > > infantry is spread out you would be pretty lucky to take out a
significant
> > > part of the squad (the stand) with conventional tank rounds. That's
why
> > you
> > > always pair tanks with infantry. Lone tanks=dead tanks.
> > >
> > > I don't remember defense lasers leaving a crater normally. You must be
> > > thinking of the OPTIONAL rule where you could make craters with them
> > > (covered in one of the WD articles).
> > >
> > > Ken
> > > -------------------------------------------
> > > "If John Doe's head splits open and a U.F.O flies out, I want you to
have
> > > expected it."
> > > -Somerset, 'Seven'
> > >
> > > "Wanting people to pay attention, you can't just tap them on the
shoulder
> > > anymore. You have to hit them in the head with a sledgehammer. Then,
you
> > > have their strict attention"
> > > -John Doe, 'Seven'
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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