Well, now that I'm finally at home, I have had the opportunity to check the
exact mails about the matter (yeah, I know could have done it in yahoo, but
it was a real pain in the ***).
First of all, IMHO Slayer cults are ok as they are. When this unit was
proposed exactly two years ago (plus two weeks) the opinion was that it was
a really nice idea for it was something missing from the squat army. On the
other hand there has been a bit of reluctancy to give Squat good CC troops.
Well, for the first I think that there's no disagreement. And for the
second, I must admit that they are a really tough unit in CC, but the Avatar
also is, but almost nobody cares for that, why? because with a bit of luck
and ability, this kind of mad moving creatures can be fooled to cause
minimum damage to your forces.
In second place, they don't charge 20 cm but 30 cm. I think that
infiltration would be very good for them but I'm against it. For two
reasons: first, I think they should face the enemy directly without sneaky
moves and second, this was already commented two years ago, giving
infiltration makes them too good.
Last but not least, I want to give proper credit to the authors, since I
found those mails:
Shortbeards - Me, but the name was proposed bi Jyrki (and every day I'm more
convinced that they couldn't have any other name better than that. It's
perfect)
Slayer cult and Robot Squadron - Eivind
Albert Farr� Benet
----- Original Message -----
From: "darius spano" <dmanspano_at_...>
To: <netepic_at_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2003 3:49 AM
Subject: RE: [NetEpic ML] [5.0] Squats part 2 Infantry
> I agree with you on the Slayer Cults. aren't the
> Berserkers basically the Slayer Cults. If you want a
> Slayer Cult make them a special Berserker Card that is
> Free and only 4 Slayers. They get a +4 CAF and no
> ranged weapons and must charge at all times and can
> never fail morale checks. They give up 2 VP and 3 VPs
> if a Slayer unit survives the battle. I take back my
> previous post and make the Shortbeards 4 to a squad as
> well and take away infiltration. Give infiltration to
> the Slayers because at a 20cm they are dead before
> they reach anyone unless you want ot put them into
> rhinos.
> Darius
> --- nils.saugen_at_... wrote:
> > Lurke mode off.......
> >
> > HI,
> >
> > We've allowed Shortbeards to avoid a furious
> > discussion with our inhouse
> > dwarf, who would surly hit us over the head with his
> > great axe untill we
> > agreed anyway.... :)
> >
> > Seriously, again I've not involved myself to much
> > with the latest revision,
> > although I've kept my self sort of updated. I would
> > urge causion on issues
> > such as these squat infantry changes. IMOH squats
> > are one of the most
> > powerfull armies in the game, if played properly.
> > However, one of their
> > weaknesses is the number of troops, troop movement
> > and close combat quality.
> > With cheap units like the shortbeards and good close
> > combat units like
> > slayer cults we take away one of the squat
> > weaknesses. I think that might be
> > a bad idea. And while we have accepted the use of
> > Shortbeards, we've never
> > accepted the use of Slayer Cults, but if my memory
> > serves me right they have
> > been tested.
> >
> > As for the issue at hand, I do not see why the
> > shortbeards should have the
> > infiltration special ability!
> >
> > Regards
> > Nils
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Eivind Borgeteien
> > [mailto:eivind.borgeteien_at_...]
> > Sent: 19. juni 2003 19:44
> > To: netepic_at_yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: RE: [NetEpic ML] [5.0] Squats part 2
> > Infantry
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi
> >
> > My gaming group as on several ocations tested the
> > shortbeards. We have
> > substituted their bolt pistols with lasguns and also
> > taken away their
> > ability to reroll CC. (You have to grow more beard
> > to do that, laddie! :-) )
> >
> > Their new prize would be 450 / 5VP pr company and
> > 150 / 2VP pr squadron.
> >
> > I would suggest that we rather use this stats.
> >
> > Eivind
> >
> > SHORTBEARDS
> >
> >
> >
> > The rising of a Squat army is not something of a few
> > months. The young
> > squats must observe some years of military service
> > before deciding his role
> > in the squat society. Since they are not enough
> > cold-blooded to face most
> > battles, they usually play the role of explorers and
> > scouts. Due to the slow
> > growth rate of the squat society, it's not usual to
> > risk the lives of the
> > younger ones and only in desperate or (supposed)
> > secure situations are they
> > used.
> >
> >
> >
> > You can only field one Shortbeard Brotherhood (or a
> > max of 3 squadrons) pr
> > 3000 points.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Unit Name
> >
> > Move
> >
> > Save
> >
> > CAF
> >
> > Weapon
> >
> > Range
> >
> > Attack Dice
> >
> > To hit roll
> >
> > Target's save modifier
> >
> > Notes
> >
> >
> > ShortBeards
> >
> > 10 cm
> >
> > 0
> >
> > 0
> >
> > Bolt Pistols
> >
> > 25 cm
> >
> > 1
> >
> > 5+
> >
> > 0
> >
> > Infiltration
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Name
> >
> > Contents
> >
> > Break Point
> >
> > Morale
> >
> > Victory Points
> >
> > Cost
> >
> >
> > Shortbeards Brotherhood (company)
> >
> > 1 Warlord
> >
> > 3 Shortbeards squadrons (1 hearthguard, 5
> > Shortbeards)
> >
> > 9
> >
> > 3
> >
> > 4
> >
> > 350
> >
> >
> > Shortbeard squadron (support)
> >
> > 1 Hearthguard, 5 Shortbeards
> >
> > 3
> >
> > 3
> >
> > 1
> >
> > 100
> >
> >
> > NOTE: I reduced the point cost since they had the
> > same point cost as SM
> > scouts having clearly inferior stats.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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