I know, we are really a pain in the b...
And we are not members of the European Union either :-))
But seriously, it is real hard break on the squats with their 75% BP, therefore you wont be able to break many of their companies, and thus "loose" VPs you otherwise would have gotten versus other opponents. Thats why I think it is OK that pays off to wipe them out completely.
Eivind
>
> Fra: Albert Farr� Benet <cibernyam_at_...>
> Dato: 2003/11/27 Thu PM 01:27:10 CET
> Til: <netepic_at_yahoogroups.com>
> Emne: Re: [NetEpic ML] Tyranids vs Squats
>
> I didn't want to offend anyone, just that all answers I received had nothing
> to do with what I was talking about. Noone still has explained me why is it
> fair that squats yield more VP when they are wiped out than other armies.
> And I'm not questioning extra VP for breaking squat units or tyranids
> conditions for earning VP.
>
> You said:
>
> >It is very hard to break IG, and equally hard to wipe out. They also have
> monstrous firepower to take you out before you manage to close in on them,
> much like the Squats.
> > Remember that bugs dont get VPs for OPs either, and it is quite hard to
> kill EVERY stand in a unit.
>
> I agree completely, but still I don't see where this is related to give more
> VP against Squats than any other army.
>
> I don't want to offend anyone, just that I would like to see a good
> reasoning behind that.
>
>
>
> Albert
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <nils.saugen_at_...>
> To: <netepic_at_yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2003 1:12 PM
> Subject: RE: [NetEpic ML] Tyranids vs Squats
>
>
> Yes indeed, we understand your point, we just don't agree :)
>
> M
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Albert Farr� Benet [mailto:cibernyam_at_...]
> Sent: 27. november 2003 12:56
> To: netepic_at_yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [NetEpic ML] Tyranids vs Squats
>
>
>
> > Hi
> >
> > I have not played this combo as Im the one in our group with both Squats
> and Bugs. However, I have played bugs vs IG, witch is fairly comparatible.
> It is very hard to break IG, and equally hard to wipe out. They also have
> monstrous firepower to take you out before you manage to close in on them,
> much like the Squats.
> >
> > Remember that bugs dont get VPs for OPs either, and it is quite hard to
> kill EVERY stand in a unit.
> >
> > To summarise; I dont think we need to make any adjustments to this rule.
>
>
> I think that the problem is NOT with the general ruling of tyranids.
>
> It is with the fact that Squat yield more VP for detachment which gives a
> clear disavantatge against Tyranids. And if you add the fact that squats
> *usually* don't have large numbers, it's not so difficult to score this
> bonus points for nothing.
>
> In other words (I hope this is clearer), breaking squat units is harder,
> which is balanced with extra VP. Wiping Squat units is not any harder that
> any other army, but they give extra VP. Why?
>
> I'll write an exemple:
>
> a eldar unit of 5 stands that costs 150 points, gives 2 VP when broken(3
> units), when Tyranids wipe it out, gives 2 VP. Total 4 VP for 150 points.
> Nothing to say. You killed 5 stands that costed 150 points, you get twice
> their cost/value in VP
>
> a squat unit of 5 stands (let's say berserkers) costs 150 points, gives 3 VP
> when broken(4 units). Until here, ok, you break it later, you get bonus VP.
> Fair enough.
>
> When you kill the last stand it gives 3 extra VP. Total 6 VP for 150 points.
> You killed 5 stands that costed 150 points, you get 3 times their cost/value
> in VP. I don't find it fair.
>
> The difference is that, being (in theory, they cost the same) equally
> difficult to WIPE OUT, you get more points with squats, but not with other
> armies.
>
> Does anyone actually understand my point?
>
> Albert
>
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