I think this bailout thingy is going a bit too far here.
Previously, there were no saves. Inf in a toasted vehicle
were toast as well. Now, we're giving them a bailout chance.
This is a good idea, and i endorse it. BUT, giving them
an additional armor save based on the inf. own armour
is kinda cheesy. When a vehicle you're sitting in gets it,
you don't have the time to see it coming. You're sitting in
the back, rolling along, and some asshole opens up on you
with his volcano cannon. You don't have the time to say "
Oh, look, that awful chap over there is firing his nasty
big gun at us. What say you chaps, should we all hop out
before it gets uncomfortable?". In reality, there would
be no bailout chance. I think all inf in vehicles should
get their basic saving throw, modified by the weapon modifier.
If they make it, they got out, smoking, but in one piece.
If not, they weren't fast enough or their armour didn't take
it. This is IMHO the most realistic and easiest solution.
Besides, it should be dangerous to sit in a vehicle which
is under fire. We've used the 4+ rule on bailout in my group,
but i'm not quite happy with it, although it does work, it
can give a too great advantae. Lets not go from zero chance
of survival to 50% plus armour save without thinking this over
a bit. It would be nice, but is it realistic?
Rune
-----Original Message-----
From: eivind borgeteien
To: 'netepic_at_egroups.com'
Sent: 03.04.00 12:27
Subject: RE: [NetEpic ML] Re: APC and infantry saves
Hi
This is the best suggestion to bail out rules so far, but infantry with
armorsave should have a better chance of surviving the situation than
those
without. Therefore I suggest that all inf with armorsaves get their
regular
saves if the bail out fails.
Eivind
-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Ramos [mailto:pramos2_at_...]
Sent: 3. april 2000 01:46
To: netepic_at_egroups.com
Subject: [NetEpic ML] Re: APC and infantry saves
Hi!
I think it should be simple, regardless the source of the attack.
Rules:
1. A transport vehicle fails it save and its destroyed each occupant
roll a
straight bail-out roll of 4+ which is modified by the armor save.
2. IF the infantry stand has a fixed save it may take that save if teh
bail-out roll is failed.
Peter
> Hi All!
>
>
> Bail-out procedure:
>
> 1) Resolve the Bail-out, on a 4+, using the Save Mod of the weapon.
>
> 1A) If the vehicle was destoyed by a barrage, troops that have
> succesfully Bailed-out, must make a save against the barrage.
>
> 2) If the Bail-out is failed, apply the same weapon attack to the
troops
> inside the vehicle.
>
>
>
> What does everyone else think?
>
> Warprat ;)
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Peter Ramos wrote:
> >
> > Hi!
> >
> > I think thats what we should do. The basic rules apply to all and
those
with
> > fixed saves get thier save if the basic roll fails.
> >
> > fair enough.
> >
> > Peter
> >
> > > At 09.15 01/04/00 -0600, you wrote:
> > > >Hi!
> > > >
> > > >It would be nice to have this sort of rule. It doesn't add
uneeded
> > > >complexity and would make it realistic. I have to agree that it
depends
> > on
> > > >what you get hit with too. Losing your rhino to bolter fire gives
you
a
> > > >chance to escape better than a hit from a volcano.
> > > >
> > > >In order to have uniformity I'd phrase the rule as thus:
> > > >
> > > >Infantry bails out on a 4+, roll for each stand carried. This
roll is
> > > >modified by the save modifier. So weapons with a modifier of 4 or
more
> > means
> > > >instant toast to the vehicle and transported troops.
> > > >
> > > >Units with fixed saves get a 4+ bail out save that is not
modified.
> > > >
> > > >Hows that sound?
> > > >
> > > >Peter
> > > >
> > >
> > > Seems very good. However what about saying that units with fixed
saves
> > > get both the 4+ modifiable bail and their save? Seems a bit more
realistic
> > > (I know, bad word ;) this way, and I don't think it would slow
down
the
> > > game. Another tought: maybe template weapons should hit the
infantry
while
> > > it jums out the vehicle. This will cover the Vortex too...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Be unpredictabe. If your opponent doesn't know what to expect from
you,
> > > he won't be able to counter-act poperly.
> > >
> > > Tactica F.I.Z.
> > > Book 2, Chapter 6
> > >
> > >
> >
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