Hi!
Oops my mistake. I have decided that this unit is too much trouble so, it is
most likely to be eliminated and substituted by a gravguard unit which are
just heavy weapon types.
Peter
-----Original Message-----
From: Karlsen Rune <rune.karlsen_at_...>
To: 'netepic_at_egroups.com' <netepic_at_egroups.com>
Date: Friday, April 28, 2000 2:46 AM
Subject: RE: [NetEpic ML] Slann, the proof is in the math
> 11? Are you talking about the Vanguards? The CC says 10 stands...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter Ramos [mailto:pramos2_at_...]
> Sent: 2000-04-27 19:37
> To: netepic_at_egroups.com
> Subject: Re: [NetEpic ML] Slann, the proof is in the
>math
>
> Hi!
>
> Still though the whole company is 11 stands and a break
>point of 6, the
> opponent gets 10VP's. I think I wouldn't want to increase
>the price further
> since thats a lot of VP's for a small break point.
>
> In the end we made a lot of changes to points and some small
>stat changes,
> we should test what we got for now.
>
> Peter
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nils.saugen_at_... <nils.saugen@...>
> To: netepic_at_egroups.com <netepic_at_egroups.com>
> Date: Thursday, April 27, 2000 9:48 AM
> Subject: RE: [NetEpic ML] Slann, the proof is in the math
>
>
> >Hi,
> >
> >Yes I'm fully aware of that fact. However, after comparing
>the companies
> >thoroughly I still think that the Vanguardcompany should
>cost more than a
> >company of Terminators. Perhaps it's the price of the
>Terminators which is
> >to high? Keep in mind that the Vanguards are commanders,
>moving on charge
> >and firing in the first fire segement!
> >
> >Nils
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Peter Ramos [SMTP:pramos2_at_...]
> >> Sent: 27. april 2000 16:18
> >> To: netepic_at_egroups.com
> >> Subject: Re: [NetEpic ML] Slann, the proof is in the math
> >>
> >> Hi!
> >>
> >> Keep in mind the company is only TWO detachments not
>three. A termie
> >> company
> >> has 3 detachments. 1000 points for two detachments of 5
>models and a
> >> command
> >> stand sounds good to me.
> >>
> >> Peter
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: nils.saugen_at_... <nils.saugen@...>
> >> To: netepic_at_egroups.com <netepic_at_egroups.com>
> >> Date: Thursday, April 27, 2000 5:49 AM
> >> Subject: RE: [NetEpic ML] Slann, the proof is in the math
> >>
> >>
> >> >Hi,
> >> >
> >> >IMO a 1000 points for the Vanguard Company is not
>enough. If you compare
> >> >them with a Terminator company, you'll find that in
>terms of firepower
> >> and
> >> >average armoursaves they are almost equal (With a slight
>edge for the
> >> >Vanguards). The Vanguards are command units and will
>always fire in the
> >> >First Fire segement (this really hurts if you try to
>charge them!!!!),
> >> their
> >> >armour saves are 4+ fixed, and they've got jumppacks. On
>the other hand
> >> the
> >> >Terminatorcompany is twize the size of the Vanguards.
>IMHO the Vanguard
> >> >company should cost somewhat more than a Terminator
>company. How much I
> >> >don't know, but they are command units so at least 100 -
>200 points
> more.
> >> >
> >> >Nils
> >> >
> >> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> >> From: Peter Ramos [SMTP:pramos2_at_...]
> >> >> Sent: 27. april 2000 00:57
> >> >> To: netepic_at_egroups.com
> >> >> Subject: Re: [NetEpic ML] Slann, the proof is in the
>math
> >> >>
> >> >> Hi!
> >> >>
> >> >> The price costs as you suggest do not reflect the
>total deficit that I
> >> saw
> >> >> with the formulas. Most units were off in the 75-100%
>category so most
> >> of
> >> >> the changes I put in are from 25-40%.
> >> >>
> >> >> Note that squats VP's are higher due to higher break
>points not cost.
> >> >> Slann
> >> >> have standard break points. Still in the efforts to
>raise them and not
> >> too
> >> >> much here's the second revision:
> >> >>
> >> >> Note I reduced about 50 points in most non-necron
>units (necron units
> >> are
> >> >> too good to reduce further). Some company card prices
>were incorrect
> >> (my
> >> >> bad) and corrected.
> >> >>
> >> >> These prices assume the following stat changes
> >> >>
> >> >> 1. Necron field is only 6cm
> >> >> 2. Self repair does not function in CC
> >> >> 3. Dracons of all types have no save (they are cannon
>fodder).
> >> >>
> >> >> 1.Vanguard Company 900, they were not off by much the
>true value
> should
> >> be
> >> >> 1000 points
> >> >> 2.Spawnguard Company, this one was way, way off, each
>detachment is
> 400
> >> >> points the company which has 3 detachments should be
>1050
> >> >> 3.Tadpole Light Mech Pod, 800
> >> >> 4.Frog Medium Mech Pod 950, should be 1000
> >> >> 5.Bull Frog Heavy, 1100 should be 1200
> >> >> 6.Necron stalker 1250, should be 1300
> >> >> 7.Dracon Company ,500 the Krokigor are severely
>underpriced the true
> >> cost
> >> >> for
> >> >> the company is 700
> >> >> 8.Exodus Raiders 600, should be 700
> >> >> 9.Exodus Spawn 650, severely underpriced exodus
>warband and mantis
> >> >> should be 900!
> >> >> 10.Necron Raider Cube 900, should be 1000
> >> >> 11.Necron Assault Cube 1100, should be 1200
> >> >> 12.Tadpole Light Mech 350, should be 400
> >> >> 13.Frog Medium Mech 400, should be 500
> >> >> 14.Bull Frog Heavy Mech 500, should be 600
> >> >> 15.Necron Stalker 600, should be 650
> >> >> 16.Slann Vanguard 450, should be 500
> >> >> 17.Slann Spawnguard 300, should be 350
> >> >> 18.Exodus Warriors 250, severely underpriced, there
>are 6 not 5 units,
> >> >> should be 300
> >> >> 19.Exodus Warp Walkers 300, also underpriced, should
>be 350
> >> >> 20.Exodus Ghost Warriors 275, also underpriced, should
>be 350
> >> >> 21.Dracon Skink Scouts 150
> >> >> 22.Dracon Suarus Regulars 250, these are okay as is.
> >> >> 23.Dracon Kroxigors 150, severely underpriced, should
>be 250
> >> >> 24.Necron Raiders 400, should be 500
> >> >> 25.Necron Assault 500, should be 600
> >> >> 26.Coldones Riders 200, should be 250
> >> >> 27.Taradon Riders 225, should be 250
> >> >> 28.Temple Guard Dragoon 300 okay as is
> >> >> 29.Raptors 150, should be 200
> >> >> 30.Necron Arachnid Destroyer should be 250
> >> >> 31.Mantis 100, should be 150
> >> >> 32.Frog 300, okay as is
> >> >> 33.Tiger Moth 150, should be 200
> >> >> 34.Necron Protector Circuit 100, should be 200
> >> >> 35.Necron Cubekeeper Tank Circuit 150, should be 250
> >> >> 36.Necron Cubemaster Tank Circuit 250, should be 350
> >> >> 37.Necron Nemesis Tank Circuit 300, should be 400
> >> >> 38.Necron Tormentor Tank Circuit 250, should be 350
> >> >> 39.Necron Punisher Tank Circuit 250, should be 350
> >> >> 40.Salamander 150, okay as is
> >> >> 41.Dragon Fly 250, okay as is
> >> >> 42.Necron Mantis Missile Circuit 100, grossly
>undercharged, should be
> >> 200
> >> >> 43.Warp Locust anti-aircraft gun 200 okay as is.
> >> >> 44.Conqueror Heavy Tank 350, should be 450
> >> >> 45.Necron Cloud Dragon Circuit 350, okay as is
> >> >> 46.Necron Ethereal Dragon Circuit 200, okay as is
> >> >> 47.Necron Moon Dragon Circuit 450, okay as is
> >> >> 48.Slann Great Mage 125, should be 150
> >> >> 49.Slann Mage in Tadpole 250, should be 350
> >> >> 50.Slann Mage in Frog 275, should be 400
> >> >> 51.Slann Mage in Bull Frog 300, should be 450
> >> >> 52.Slann Time Mage 1 Time Mage Mech 550, should be
>650
> >> >> 53.Exodus Mage Chief 100, should be 200 due to the
>vehicle cost.
> >> >> 54.Exodus Warchief 100, same as above 200
> >> >> 55.Suarus Temple Guard 50, okay as is
> >> >> 56.Great Crested Skink 50 good as is
> >> >> 57.Annihilator Battle Fortress 500, should be 600
> >> >> 58.Stag 300, should be 400
> >> >> 59.Dragonking Assault Titan 2500 as is
> >> >> 60.Komodo Titan 2000, now 1500.
> >> >>
> >> >> Are these acceptable?
> >> >>
> >> >> Peter
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> > Peter,
> >> >> > I agree that the points were off but you can't raise
>them too much.
> >> Look
> >> >> at
> >> >> > other races as well. The Squats do benefit from the
>underpriced
> >> points
> >> >> but
> >> >> > give it up for VPs. The Eldar Wind Host is a steal
>at 650 pts and if
> >> you
> >> >> > point them out there is a deficit of 450 points. I
>did some point
> >> checks
> >> >> on
> >> >> > other units of other races and found them
>underpriced but only by
> >> 10-20%
> >> >> and
> >> >> > in most cases the cost were right on. Whereas the
>Slann are
> >> underpriced
> >> >> by
> >> >> > 20-40% (avg around 25%). But the Slann have been
>beaten 3 times that
> >> I
> >> >> know
> >> >> > of in our group, although we do play house rules
>that split armies
> >> half
> >> >> > infantry, walker, cavalry and the other half
>vehicles,
> super-heavies,
> >> >> etc...
> >> >> > So my suggestion is go a little at first. If they
>were 50 off up
> them
> >> 25
> >> >> if
> >> >> > they were 75 to 100 off up them 50 and if they were
>off by more than
> >> 100
> >> >> go
> >> >> > with the exact amount off. I have found it is easier
>to add than
> take
> >> >> away.
> >> >> > wait till you see the dark Eldar. I have already
>raised their points
> >> for
> >> >> > some of the squads.
> >> >> > Darius
> >> >> > Darius
> >> >> >
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