This is why there is a snap fire rule to allow you to shoot at charging or
moving units. It is possible to move units in complete cover without the
snap fire rule, move from cover to cover. Now, during your move if you come
into sight a unit should be able to fire at you this is snap fire taking a
pop shot at running units. Same as if you are being charged you should be
able to take a pop shot at them charging you. Though I'd say if you are
doing this you should have to fire all weapons at the charging units and not
be able to save some for the AF phase.
----- Original Message -----
From: Karlsen Rune <rune.karlsen_at_...>
To: <netepic_at_egroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2000 9:04 AM
Subject: RE: [NetEpic ML] silly question?
> I never disagreed on that. What i think is stupid, is that a unit
> being charged somehow wait until the enemy charging them is in
> CC instead of firing as they come at them. That's why the rule
> is illogical, noone in their right minds would ever wait that long!
> If someone charged me while i was holding a gun, i'd sure as hell
> make sure they didn't come close enough to hit me before i shoot.
> So, if a unit being charged is on FF, it should be able to shoot
> at the charging unit loooong before it enters CC, and therefor
> never have been in CC (assuming a hit and kill) and therefor not
> pinned. Any remaining attacks should then be taken right away at
> any other unit within range. No book-keeping, just a modification
> of the ?existing? rule.
>
> Rune
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nils.saugen_at_... [mailto:nils.saugen@...]
> Sent: 2000-06-14 14:55
> To: netepic_at_egroups.com
> Subject: RE: [NetEpic ML] silly question?
>
>
> Sorry I have to disagre with you on that. It's not illogical that a unit,
> which for any reason is caught up in close combat has to focus on that for
> the entire combat segement of the game turn!
>
> Nils
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Karlsen Rune [SMTP:rune.karlsen_at_...]
> > Sent: 14. juni 2000 14:33
> > To: 'netepic_at_egroups.com'
> > Subject: RE: [NetEpic ML] silly question?
> >
> > I've asked about this before you know, but that was before
> > we were members of NetEpic. I only recently remembered that
> > i was gonna ask why it was so...It is imo a very illogical
> > rule in a turnbased game!
> >
> > Rune
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nils.saugen_at_... [mailto:nils.saugen@...]
> > Sent: 2000-06-14 14:29
> > To: netepic_at_egroups.com
> > Subject: RE: [NetEpic ML] silly question?
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I disagree, if a unit with advance orders is charged, it uses all its
> > available time that turn fighting the close combat and may not fire in
the
> > advance fire segement. Likevise if a unit on first fire orders is
charged
> > it
> > has to concentrat on the unit charging it. These are the rules we have
> > played by for over ten years, and I've never seen anything written in
the
> > GW
> > material to contradict this (We havent got access to the Titan Legions
> > Rules). As for snapfire we've fount this to slow play to much, we want a
> > simple straightforward system. So even though we might not be perfectly
in
> > tune with the actual NetEpic rules, these are the rules we have played
by
> > and this has never been an issue untill Rune made a dumb move alloving
me
> > to
> > pin his preacious Vanguards with a couple of squads of Rhinos. I promise
> > that we are not gonna change this now! This might be a bit blunt, but I
se
> > a
> > lenghty discussion comming up in our gaming group, and I just won't have
> > it!
> >
> > Nils
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Warprat [SMTP:warprat_at_...]
> > > Sent: 14. juni 2000 14:23
> > > To: netepic_at_egroups.com
> > > Subject: Re: [NetEpic ML] silly question?
> > >
> > > Hi Eivind and Nils!
> > >
> > > Not to make a big deal about this, but if you re-read the rules, you
may
> > > discover something else. Page 25, 32 and 33 of the Titan Legions Rule
> > > book describes Firing and Close Combat. The same rules are repeated
in
> > > Net Epic.
> > >
> > > Titan Legions and Net Epic both state in thier rules that First Fire
> > > units may change thier orders to Advance.
> > >
> > > Does an unit on Advance orders get to fire in the First Fire phase?
Can
> > > a unit on Advance fire at Charging units? The answer to both
questions,
> > > is of course, no.
> > >
> > > Can a unit with Advance orders, fire in the Advance Phase, after
having
> > > been attacked. Yes, the survivors get to fire. The stands that are
> > > still pinned, do NOT get to fire. No unit, pinned in Close Combat may
> > > fire, or be fired at. Unpinned stands can choose targets normally,
and
> > > fire in the Advance Phase.
> > >
> > > An Example: Terminators on First Fire orders are charged by Gretchin.
> > > The Terminators choose to go on Advance Orders. The Gretchin are
wiped
> > > out in Close Combat. The Terminators fire in the Advance Phase.
> > >
> > >
> > > Are we in agreement now? What does everyone else think?
> > >
> > > Warprat ;)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > eivind borgeteien wrote:
> > > >
> > > > No. A stand that has been in CC with a stand of equal or greater
> > > > pinning class may not do anything after CC is resolved.
> > > >
> > > > This is how GW wrote the rules. Undoubtedly it exists many
> > > > houserulevariants on this, but we have always asumed that a unit who
> > > > has been charged use all their energy to fend off the attacker, and
if
> > > > on FF it fires all their shots simultanously.
> > > >
> > > > If you are in the combatzone and is being charged you dont hold your
> > > > shots and wait to se if your buddies in the squad hits the foe!
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Karlsen Rune [mailto:rune.karlsen_at_...]
> > > > Sent: 14. juni 2000 10:27
> > > > To: 'netepic_at_egroups.com'
> > > > Subject: RE: [NetEpic ML] silly question?
> > > >
> > > > Even if that unit has previously been in CC?
> > > > Didnt know that :)
> > > >
> > > > Thanx:)
> > > >
> > > > Rune
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Warprat [mailto:warprat_at_...]
> > > > Sent: 2000-06-14 10:36
> > > > To: netepic_at_egroups.com
> > > > Subject: Re: [NetEpic ML] silly question?
> > > >
> > > > Hi Rune!
> > > >
> > > > As far as I know, a unit on First Fire can always choose to fire in
> > > > the
> > > > Advance Phase.
> > > >
> > > > Warprat ;)
> > > >
> > > > Karlsen Rune wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Can you wait until AF to fire if you've already been
> > > > > in CC?
> > > > >
> > > > > Rune
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Warprat [mailto:warprat_at_...]
> > > > > Sent: 2000-06-12 22:33
> > > > > To: netepic_at_egroups.com
> > > > > Subject: Re: [NetEpic ML] silly question?
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi Everybody!
> > > > >
> > > > > In the past, I've used this House Rule too. It's actually not too
> > > > bad.
> > > > > Been so long since I had used it, I had completely forgot about
it.
> > > > >
> > > > > Of course, the BIG gamble is, how many dice do you need to
allocate
> > > > to
> > > > > the attackers. If you don't allocate enough, the attackers get
> > > > through
> > > > > AND you don't get to fire those precious shots anywhere else
either.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > A rather nice trade off. Of course, that was when my group was
not
> > > > > using the Snap Fire rule. So we used the House Rule.
> > > > >
> > > > > I guess then, that there are four options for a First Fire unit
> > > > being
> > > > > attacked by a unit that can pin it:
> > > > >
> > > > > 1) First Fire at the charging units.
> > > > > 2) Snap Fire at the charing units, AND other targets.
> > > > > 3) Use the House Rule and gamble for the chance to hit other
> > > > targets.
> > > > > 4) Wait untill the Advance Phase to fire. Of course, that means
> > > > you
> > > > > need to survive Close Combat. ( I've used this, but NOT very
often!
> > > > )
> > > > >
> > > > > What does everybody else think?
> > > > >
> > > > > Warprat ;)
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As a house rule I have also used that players may nominate a
> > > > certain
> > > > > amount
> > > > > > of their total dice to the unit in close combat and IF it is
> > > > destroyed
> > > > the
> > > > > > others can fire at another target. IF that unit is not destroyed
> > > > the
> > > > extra
> > > > > > shots are wasted.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Peter
> > > > >
> > > > >
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