Hi,
I don't think the Necron Assault ability to warpjump is to powerfull, in
fact i think it is a great unit. As Rune has pointed out there is a chance
that the Necron will get lost in the warp and scatter 3d6 cm, which is quite
a lot. In a detachment of 5 stands if more than one of your troops should
deviate and pop out somwhere betveen 3 and 18 cm away from the rest of the
unit, you could find your self cut off and destroyed. Secondly the stats of
the Necron Assaults may seem horrendous on paper and they perform pretty
well. You have to outnumber them 3 to 1 in order to secure a victory. In
retrospect of our last game I should have taken 2 roughrider companies, the
beastmen almost didn't see any action due to their low speed. In this battle
I made one of my flanks to weak (just one detachment of roughriders, with no
sentinels to support them!) and suffered from that, on the other flank the
battle was evenly fought, and the beastmen would have made pancakes of the
remainin necrons on that flank in the following turn.
My point is, even though the Assault Necrons is a very powerfull unit they
will breake very easily (8 stands). You would need to outnumber them 2 or 3
to 1 in order to secure sucsess, but you know that and can plan for it!
Always use supporting fire from advancing units to mop up the survivng
Necrons from the CC. But the one thing we shouldn't do, is to make the
Necrons thouger to breake! This is their great weeknes, and IMH the sole
reason for the unit not beeing overly cheesy!!! Sure its a powerfull unit
indeed, but that makes them all that more challenging to fight against. Let
them have a go at a couple of detachmends of striking scorpions........ I
think the scorpions will take them out! We often forget that each and every
army has got very powerfull units/weapons. IG has Warp/Vortex Missiles,
Ordinarius vehicles, and the artillery (In the early days my opponent often
complained that the artillery was waaaaay to powerfull), somebody thinks
that IG and SM combinations are cheesy although they are clearly ment to be
combined in all official material from GW. The Squat Colossus is relatively
cheap and increadbly powerfull, Wave serpents, pulse lasers, Nova cannon,
the list goes on and on. But you know how they work so you can plan on how
to meet them, and IMO thats the thrill of the game.
For all of you who are interested in the Slann, try them out for a couple of
games before passing judgement. If you still think the army is to powerfull,
then suggest the changes you think will improve the Slann/Necrons, and we
will discuss them in this forum!
Nils
> -----Original Message-----
> From: warprat [SMTP:warprat_at_...]
> Sent: 11. oktober 2000 02:46
> To: netepic_at_egroups.com
> Subject: Re: [NetEpic ML] RE: [Net Epic ML] Slann victorious again?
>
> Hi Peter!
>
> I was thought about this, when reading the Slaan rules. Perhaps limit
> the normal jump of Necrons to 20cm. Any further jumps would have to use
> the Swallowed/Scattered table.
>
> Your idea about the Scarabs is good. Integrate them into the Necron
> units. Either keep the stats and cost the same, or boost the Necron
> ability to Nulify at range as the Scarab does, AND boost the price up.
>
> I would like to hear what Hellreich and Rune would say about this,
> however.
>
> Warprat ;)
>
>
>
>
> Peter Ramos wrote:
> >
> > Hi!
> >
> > I have come to the conclusion that the scarab cards may be overkill,
> perhaps
> > just say they ARE part of Necron units keep stats as is and eliminate
> the
> > scarab card. This way Necron assault are tough since they have scarabs
> doing
> > all this to the enemy.
> >
> > As for warp jump, Eldar warp spiders have this why shouldn't Necron who
> are
> > technologically superior? of course I'd add one thing, the danger of
> being
> > lost into the warp like all slann units that have this, the good goes
> with
> > the bad. how does that sound?
> >
> > Peter
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: warprat [mailto:warprat_at_...]
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 7:44 PM
> > To: netepic_at_egroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [NetEpic ML] Slann victorious again?
> >
> > Hi Hellreich!
> >
> > Your point about the Bloodletters is, of course, true. But also
> > consider that Chaos does not have good long range firepower.
> > Bloodletters must make a slow appoach. A stand of them, knocked down to
> > regenerate, will stop the whole detachment, due to unit cohesion.
> >
> > The Necrons, if they retain the jump ability, avoid this problem neatly.
> > First Fire, and Snap fire is not allowed against them.
> >
> > Bloodletters are useless, if they don't get into Close Combat. Almost
> > any Marine force can Snap fire against them, limit thier movement, then
> > destroy them at range. Also, in order to take the Bloodletters, you
> > would also have to purchase a Greater Deamon of Korne. You can't JUST
> > buy the Bloodletters like you can the Necrons.
> >
> > What do you think about the Scarabs? The fluff says they USUALLY
> > accompany a Necron force. Do you purchase these for your Necrons
> > usually? If not, then I suggest we change the Fluff, or make them
> > mandatory.
> >
> > Warprat ;)
> >
> > hellreich wrote:
> > >
> > > Necron Infantry should not be able to warp jump, they did not have
> this
> > > before and some how it has snuck in. They should be slow moving
> troops,
> > that
> > > have to spend points on transports to move fast this is were the
> messup
> > is.
> > > As for your math it is a good point be a febble one at that, try this
> one
> > > and tell me who wins 600 pts of Bloodletters to 600 pts of SM forces.
> > these
> > > guys are about the same as Necron but they get to regen in CC.
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: warprat <warprat_at_...>
> > > To: <netepic_at_egroups.com>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 6:13 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [NetEpic ML] Slann victorious again?
> > >
> > > > Hi Rune!
> > > >
> > > > The result is very bad, for the Imperials. Sorry!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Warprat ;)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Karlsen Rune wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Is the cost unbalanced? If you take 600 points of CC SM forces and
> > > > > pitch them against the Necrons, what is the result?
> > > > >
> > > > > Rune
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: warprat [mailto:warprat_at_...]
> > > > > Sent: 10. oktober 2000 11:55
> > > > > To: netepic_at_egroups.com
> > > > > Subject: Re: [NetEpic ML] Slann victorious again?
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi Nils!
> > > > >
> > > > > Are you sure about the regeneration? I was thinking the same
> thing as
> > > > > you, BUT I couldn't find it in the rules. Anyway, very few
> Necrons
> > were
> > > > > killed by CC.
> > > > >
> > > > > Even if -1 surprise mod is not used, and the Necrons killed in CC
> do
> > not
> > > > > regenerate, the end result is unballanced.
> > > > >
> > > > > Warprat ;)
> > > > >
> > > > > nils.saugen_at_... wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Two points, first Necrons killed in CC doesn't regenerate,
> secondly
> > > > > > Hellreich/Darius mentioned thet the -1 to CAF modifyer for units
> > > charged
> > > > > by
> > > > > > mechs popping out of the warp, was due to the size of the mech!
> So
> > we
> > > have
> > > > > > do not apply that penalty to units charget by warping Necron
> Assault
> > > > > > warriors.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Nils
> > > > > >
> > > > >
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