Re: [NetEpic ML] Heathen Army List (aka Ogre!)

From: Daryl Lonnon <dlonnon_at_...>
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 13:38:27 -0700 (MST)

> > > Hi!
> > >
> > > Daryl, great work! Very balanced as far as I can tell. Do
> > you have the
> > > time to do this as a word document?
> >
> > I'd planned on wordify'ing it sooner or later. So the answer is yes.
> >
> > Random thoughts/concerns about it that I have:
> >
> > o Powered Infantry, should they have a higher CAF (I was thinking +2).
> >
>
> IIRC the Ogre Powered Armor is just a life support suit armored with BPC, it
> doesn't have the muscle amplifiers a Space Marine armor has.

I thought I saw something saying each infantry was equivalent of a
modern day tank. Since I have the Ogre rulebook in front of me ...
here's what I find (from the Preface of the Ogre Deluxe booklet,
copyright Steve Jackson games):

"Infantry, which had for a time eclipsed the tank, declined in importance.
Although an infantryman could carry and direct a tactical
nuclear missile, he had to be extensively (and expensively) protected
to survive the nuclear battlefield. Thus, the "powered suit" was
developed. Four cm of BPC, jet-equipped, it could guard a man for
about a week (in increasing discomfort) from shrapnel, background
radiation and bio-chem agents. However, the cost of
equipping infantry reduced their value. They were still more
flexible and maneuverable than armor, and now they were almost as
 fast - but they were no longer cheaper"

Right above this it states that several centimeters of BPC required
a ton of TNT to breach.

Further down:

"Some interesting compromises appeared. The 21st-century infantryman,
especially wit the later "heavy powered suit," was a tank in his
own right, at least by 20th century standards."

Reading the above, I think you're probably right. I don't see
anything about strength enhancements ... just really really tough
armor. Termie's have a +6, I'd be tempted to give them the +2 just
since they are supposedly so tough to kill.

> > o Should I dump the -1 TSM to the Powered Infantry Weapons (they'd
> > be like Standard Space Marines but with Termie Armor and
> > bad morale).
>
> Nope, they did have inherent support weapons.
>
> > o Lasers, I can't find my GEV book ... so some of the stuff was from
> > memory. I'm pretty sure Lasers didn't come out like I wanted.
>
> The unlimited range is IMO a bit too much. Especially when compared to
> Volcano Cannon.
>
> > o Advanced Targeting Computers. That was added to make Combine vs
> > Pan-European forces more Ogre like. But I'm not 100% sure that's
                   ^^^^^^
That should've been battles, my fingers moved faster than my brain.

> > necessary.
>
> That's a nice touch and should be kept.
>
> > o Ogres. Probably need alot of playtesting/thinking to balance right.
> > I switch between thinking they are about right, to thinking
> > they might be too tough to kill. They have no sheilds, but
> > no real critical hit locations either. Infantry can strip off their
> > AP's and their treads from a distance (and with it's AP's gone,
> > an Ogre can be overwhelmed with Infantry ... esspecially by
> > jump pack equipped troops, who can destroy it's difficult to
> > destroy weapons in CC).
> >
>
> Only playtesting can answer these questions.
>
> > > I'd like to get this out there as an optional army list.
> > >
> > > Let me know.
> >
> > I'll probably start putting it into Word in the next week (don't know
> > how long it'll take though).
> >
>
> Good work anyway! I love new armylists nearly as much as battlereports.
>
> > DarylL
> > >
> > > Peter
> > >
>
> Jyrki Saari

Thanx all for comments! :-)

DarylL
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