Re: [NetEpic ML] Re: New file uploaded to netepic

From: Hellreich <helreich_at_...>
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 15:36:52 -0800

Heh :-) yea I just might have to put this together
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  From: Eivind Borgeteien
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  Chaos Squats!
  I would absolutly like that!

  It has to be a stand-alone list though, with some exclusive qualities to differ the list from regular squats and chaos renegades. A list which just added chaoscards to the squats would be a bad sollution.

  I cant think of any such qualities right now, but I would definately want to se a such list!

  Eivind
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    nope go to the shed and get the shovel out, whynot bring back the good old chaos stuntties in full. Make them another part of the chaos list, with some bikes and tanks of there own. I seen some good battletech minis that would fit the bill for a stunty Titan. HHuumm I need to finish the project that I'm on now but, seems we could make a list for them.
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      From: Shawn Zumwalt
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      Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 3:50 PM
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      Well then, perhaps those chaos dwarves can only maintain effectively what they themselves field, or at least what is fairly close? Have I dug myself a big enough hole yet?

      Shawn

      "Sometimes there just ain't enough rocks"

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        From: Peter Ramos
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        Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 3:26 PM
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        Hi!

        Actually according to the fluff, chaos dwarves are the ones who maintain their equipment. So technically they can still have all their original equipment in working order.

        Peter

        Shawn Zumwalt wrote:

OK. This lurker is going to step out on the chopping block. I could seethe CSMs getting T-Hawks and teleportation abilities if you're playing aHorus Heresy-era army. They've turned to chaos but haven't gotten all ofthe chaos abilities. This would essentially mean they are regular SMspainted in chaos colors. You could even do this with IG. SHV and all, butno demon armies.Outside of the Heresy, I would imagine the equipment would just wear out,with no way to replace it. I can imagine a Beastman trying to repair aT-Hawk. "Hey, Lard-breath, give me the electro-spanner" "Lard-breath, why you..." Sounds of delicate equipment breakingAnyway, that's my story and I'm sticking to it. I'll just fade back to mylurking.Shawn"Sometimes there just ain't enough rocks"teznet_at_...awn.zumwalt_at_...----- Original Message -----From: <deaconblue3_at_juno.com>To: <netepic_at_egroups.com>Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 1:32 PMSubject: Re: [NetEpic ML] Re: New file uploaded to netepic
'Ere we go again! Amazing how somethings never seem to go away isn't it? Anyway, I'm one of those who likes to get some more for Chaos,especially CSMs. Now, for my take on things, I'll try and go issue byissue. 1. Transports. Rhinos, LRs, etc should only be available andusable by CSMs. I just can't really see Demons or the monstrous critters(trolls, Minotaurs) getting in or out of them easily, or willingly. LikeOgryns, they shouldn't be able to use them (Ogryns don't like darkcramped places, like rhinos). Rhinos should be part of the Chaos list,available for use by CSMs only. 2. The infamous T-Hawk issue. Well, I do think Chaos should getthem, but at an increased point cost (x2 at least), with the restrictionit be used solely by CSMs. No transporting Demons or monstrous types.Also, they should only be able to get 1 for every 1000 points or so ofCSMs (and CSMs on!
ly. Points for the others don't count). 3. Chaos can't get everything in the Imp lists. No Imperators,no SHVs (imagine a Chaos army with a CI or Leviathan, plus Shadowswordsand baneblades, YIKES!), and much of the "newer" parts of the Marine listare also unavailable. 4. The "combination" issue. Chaos and the Imps are supposed tobe the big nasties of the universe. Chaos and Imps should match upalmost equally against each other. That's the fundamental theorem of howthe 40K universe is. Eldar are good, but lack umbers. Orks aremediocre, but have lots of numbers. Squats are somewhere in between.Bugs are nasty, running the gambit across the spectrum. Never used orplayed against Slann, but they should be in the same category as theEldar. The Imperials generally use combined arms, drawing from thevarious organizations to form a force. IG with Marines and Titansupport. (I still don't think the !
TG should be separate army). Yes,they do operate individually on a regular basis, but the "norm" is forcombined arms. Chaos is similar. The four powers have their own uniqueflavor, and the combine to form Black Crusades, or raids on worlds. It'sthe nature of the beast as it were. I still find the issue of combining lists somewhat off center.the issue I think is not the lists, but the players involved. As Peterhas pointed out on several occasions, there is no truly "invincible" armyout there. Since I started playing, I have always played a combinedIG/SM army. I lose as often as I win. Same applies for when I playChaos. Chaos needs more support, with only the Khorne Demon engines, andthe only fliers being Silver Towers, Fire Lord, and Doom Wings (none ofwhich are all that great). With out these additions, you can usuallydefeat a Chaos army with lots of artillery, pounding them to bits beforethey ever get in!
 CC. I know, I've done it. Also, Chaos really doesn'thave an AA unit, so they are highly vulnerable to air power. Play balance is all fine and well, when it makes sense.Sometimes however, play balance gets sacrificed to fit the concepts. Ifyou want true play balance, play Heresy era only, using only the Imperiallists against other Imperial lists. Or just play Eldar vs Eldar. That'splay balance. still, even if using identical army lists, play balance isskewed by the players themselves. Experienced vs inexperienced, or justa difference in styles alters the balance. A good player can win nomatter the armies being used under most circumstances. Random dice alsofactor in too don't forget. No offense intended here, but I see most of the arguments againstsomething as whining over an inability to defeat certain armies (orplayers). Changing the rules so you can win on a regular basis is muchmore cheezy than!
 using what's in the army lists IMO. Not that I amsaying that is the case, I don't know for sure, but that is how itappears at times. OK, I think I've run my corse for now....Josh RMinister for General Mayhem"Don't let the bastards grind you down." Gen. Joseph StilwellTo unsubscribe send e-mail to: netepic-unsubscribe_at_egroups.com
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