> This is only one of the things i find strange about some
> chaos powers. Like the way some dont discriminate between
> good units or lousy ones. The burning bodies card,
> for example. Since its a non-physical psychic card,
> it doesnt differenciate between units. No matter if
> they are 0 CAF infantry with no save which are
> a dime a dousin, or Vanguards with 4+ fixed save.
> These cards may not be that valuable when playing
> against f.ex IG, they are indeed game killers when
> played against the Slann. Not to mention that
> every time we play chaos, there are A LOT of discussions
> about rules and powers. The result is always : "Can
> affect any unit" or "Can be played at any time".
> I agree its in chaos' nature to be unpredictable,
> but if they were this good, they'd have overrun
> the universe a long time ago....Who can stand a chance
> except those who have units like the astropath?
The powers ARE good, that's why so many armies have special anti-chaos
units. Slann doesn't get these, but as they are immune to morale checks, I
feel this evens out the mightiest chaos power - FEAR!
> Our chaos player has also adopted a very good strategy
> against us. He simply hides his demons, so that
> we cant take any cards away from him, and use
> his legions and juggers to attack. VERY effective
> in conjunction with some of the awesome "no save, no how"
> powers/cards. I've pointed out that a demon would
> probably not hide behind buildings, and would certainly
> not retreat into the setup zone to hide behind a
> building. He certainly agrees to this, but there are
> no rules against this, and wont admit that its
> cheesy. Its in fact a very sound tactic! Never mind
> that the demons behave like cowards :)
Hello??? If I can reach CC with my demons, I do! This is where their power
is. If you're referring to saturday's game, 3 out of 5 demons charged
forward to fight enemy units. Two demons were trapped in the middle with
nothing to fight. If they had moved out of cover, you would have had roughly
50 shots to take them out. Why on earth would I do that? Would you use your
mages to charge into an area I control? The fact that they're greater demons
do not mean that they're stupid...
> Like the game we played yesterday. Slann/SM vs. Chaos and
> Renegade armies. After 2 rounds, Chaos 104? Slann/SM 46 i
> think.. Both armies made mistakes, and they had quite
> a few lucky dice rolls (like taking out a scout titan
> with 3 shots from HW infantry. BUT, its just too good
> when they can charge an OP, make the unit invis after CC,
> and noone can shoot in. And take out a titan in one
> average rolled shot.
No, it took Magnus the red two turns to take out the titan. You didn't even
use your titan, you just tried to hide it from Magnus. If it is cowardous to
hide a demon, how about hiding a titan?
> And take over a necron detachment
> after the overtakers had moved (no save of course,
> why would there be any, they're "chaos powers" after
> all), then play a chaos card on that very same detachment
> (after CC) and charge 10 more cms to another detachment.
> One by one, they're not gamekillers. Together, they
> are. With chaos cards, you can always adjust. They're
> more than equalizers. Before i played chaos, i saw
> the discussions going on on this list, but i never
> really took any notice of them. Now i understand what
> they were all griping about..
You lost on saturday because:
1) You did not field a single barrage weapon against 10K worth of chaos.
Hello??? How about using Slann titans with huge templates?
2) Eivind held his precious grey knights until round two, only to hide them
inside a building. Why did he field them?
3) Chaos had a triple backup plans for each single objective on the board.
Didn't seem like you had any...
4) Nils had some wonderfully lucky rolls...
> The good news is that we all agreed the Slann look good
> now. We thought the necron titan is overpriced at 750,
> but thats just after one game. Against another army,
> it might be more balanced. I can certainly understand
> why noone wanted to play against the Slann before
> they were balanced (except Nils of course, he loves
> to be the underdog), i have just the same feeling
> against chaos. I cant imagine how its possible to
> beat chaos with the orks for example...
>
We haven't tried that yet... maybee we should??
> Rune
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Hellreich [mailto:helreich_at_...]
> > Sent: 4. mars 2001 18:19
> > To: netepic_at_yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [NetEpic ML] Titan CC
> >
> >
> > I do belive you are talking about the Lure of Slannash, and
> > yes it is very
> > powerful. It does work as such, but I do belive it is not
> > auto, as you make
> > a Morale check for this if you fail the morale check then the
> > enemy may take
> > control.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Karlsen Rune" <rune.karlsen_at_...>
> > To: <netepic_at_yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2001 3:25 AM
> > Subject: RE: [NetEpic ML] Titan CC
> >
> >
> > > >
> > > > Hi!
> > > >
> > > > Karlsen Rune wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi!
> > > > >
> > > > > Can someone please summarise the rules for how infantry etc.
> > > > > attack Titans? It'd be great with a clarification :)
> > > >
> > > > The newest adopted rule playes as follows:
> > > >
> > > > Infantry engged with a titan make a "save" on a roll of 5+.
> > > > If the roll
> > > > is failed they die and are removed. They play no further part
> > > > in close
> > > > combat. Vehicles do the same except tehy use their own armor save
> > > > instead of the 5+. Survivors fight the titan normally as
> > per standard
> > > > close combat rules.
> > > >
> > > > In mixed battles (titans and non-titans engaged in close
> > > > combat), treat
> > > > each combat separately. This means treat all the non-titan
> > > > units engaged
> > > > versus the titan as one combat and resolve titan versus
> > titan close
> > > > combat as another. No bonus d6 are transfered in mixed
> > combat's. That
> > > > means the combat of non-titans units gives no bonus to the
> > > > titan close
> > > > combat and viceversa. They are virtuaally independent combats.
> > >
> > > Hi, thanx for clearing this up :)
> > >
> > > > > Also, is it possible for chaos to take over robots/necrons with
> > > > > their power? Dont remember what its called, but it allows
> > > > > it to take over "any unit" within 25cms. When you can put
> > > > > the buggers in rhino's and charge 50cms with them in
> > > > > the first round, 25cms is alot, and affecting any unit then
> > > > > is just downright cheesy. It would mean f.ex, that
> > > > > the Necron Titan (which has no shields) could be
> > > > > taken over without a save. Now, thats just plain
> > > > > old Jarlsberg im smelling! :)
> > > >
> > > > The take over unit power applies to all units regardless
> > of what they
> > > > are because it controls the "mind" be it organic or CPU,
> > it does not
> > > > matter. Now having said that, all chaos powers concerning
> > > > morale checks
> > > > or terror do NOT affect necrons or robotic units, since
> > they do not
> > > > "fear" in the "organic" sense. The power does allow you to
> > > > take ove one
> > > > unit, a helpful boon but hardly a game breaker. Besides the
> > > > Necron titan
> > > > has a psy save of 3+.
> > > >
> > > > As slann, I have played against chaos. Chaos needs to fight a
> > > > different
> > > > style battle since many of te standard tactics dont work.
> > > > Remember the
> > > > magi can nullify psychic powers so it relatively simple
> > to eliminate
> > > > powers such as this.
> > >
> > > Simple is a relative word yes. To use the nullify psychic power,
> > > you have to bring a Slann mage in a mech, be within 50cms and
> > > roll a 3+. AND you cant use a psy power the next turn.
> > > Why dont make them need LOS as well, and they'll be really
> > > worth taking ;)
> > >
> > > > > Also, the chaos rot power says it affects all units.
> > > > > Were these cards made before Praetorians/Titans came
> > > > > into the picture? Once again, you charge your legion
> > > > > 50cms, and everything within 15cms of it has to
> > > > > save or die when the power is used. Everything!
> > > > > Now, in a large battle, say 10k, this will be devastating.
> > > > > Im sure the rot is really the reek of really old, moldy
> > cheese ;)
> > > > > Id like some clarifications on the chaos powers, and
> > > > > what they can and cant do please :)
> > > >
> > > > First, the rot power affects anything because its "magical"
> > > > rot, so even
> > > > vehicles and titans. Second titan with shields of
> > psy-saves get thier
> > > > saves. Third, the unit gets its armor save which in case of
> > > > titans/preatorians is always a 1+, thus rendering them
> > immune to this
> > > > power. (assuming their location template has a 1+ armor save
> > > > somewhere,
> > > > but most titans except the smaller ones have that, even then
> > > > it affects
> > > > only a single location, that of the best save). I use mortarion
> > > > regularly, belive me, its an infantry killer, but is very
> > > > poor against
> > > > any unit with a decent save.
> > > >
> > > > Peter
> > > >
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