Re: [Epic] cheese

From: Spatula <shupes_at_...>
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 21:11:16 -0500

> From: John A Chapman <jac_at_...>
>
> After playing too many games against a Chaos (really pretty much a
> specialty chaos marine player) you have to start thinking about how
> reasonable the points costs are. Chaos legions are cheaper (at least close in
> price - its been a while since ive seen the cards) than regular marines, and
> generally better (much better than tacticals,arguably better than assault
> troops - is that extra 5 move really needed all that often when you have t-hawks
> ? - although they are missing devastators..) and in addition to that get free
> rewards...

        Free? The rewards cost 50 pts. Plus you have to take
the Primarch in order to take the legion (not always a bad thing,
but personally, I'm sick of bringing Magnus or Mortarion to
every battle).

>Makes me feel sorry for the regular marine player - he's so
> outclassed -

        Of course, the marine player can take companies
unrestricted, gets devastators, has higher break points on his
units/companies (whether you take thawks or not), gets his own
neat units like the ravenwing, veteran companies, anything that's
space wolves only, etc etc. THe marines are not outclassed if
you take in the big picture.

> almost before you get to the other useful chaos units like
> trolls.....

        Trolls are only useful if you can roll good orders
for them... and if your opponent doesn't kill their champion.

> Thats the funny thing, I seem to remember seeing somewhere that the
> reason of the cheap (inexpensive) chaos troops was due to the fact that this
> was to make up for the fact that they had to take GD's.

        What cheap troops? The only units that qualify are
some of the lesser daemons and maybe the marines. All the other
units are overpriced (Beast Riders, Disc Riders) or priced the
same as their other-army counterparts (Cultists, Beastmen).
Chaos doesn't have any more inexpensive troops than all the
other armies (less than some).

> Ive always thought
> that at least most of the GD's were well worth their points.

        Most of them are, true.

> The Great Unclean one is probably one of the demons that i DONT think
> is worth the points... Too slow, no range, and 7 CAF isnt enough to stop
> a reasonable assault by specialist CC troops.

        How many specialist CC troops have a CAF of 7 or higher?
Remember, you don't get multiple attacker bonuses on the GUO.
And even if you do beat it in CC, the chaos player can just lose
a card and keep the GUO on its objective.

Scott
shupes_at_...
Received on Wed Jan 29 1997 - 02:11:16 UTC