Re: [Epic] Epic 30K Units

From: Mike Bowen <mbowen_at_...>
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 11:54:23 -0500 (CDT)

On Tue, 7 Oct 1997, Aaron P Teske wrote:

>
> Excerpts from Epic: 7-Oct-97 Re: [Epic] Epic 30K Units by Alan E & C. J
> Brain_at_dyna
> > I will, in the fullness of time, add the following (and fluff) to the
> > E30K list that J.M.Looney is so capably filling:
> > Mk 1 Land Raider ( 1 AT shot, otherwise as LR - source: Rogue Trader)
>
> Seeing as this came *after* the Heresy, it's a DGQ why there's only the
> one lascannon per side.
>
> (Well, OK, fluff inconsistacy, most likely, but....)

I don't know. I always liked to think that a lot of the equipment in the
RT book was pre-heresy, or not long after (give or take 1-2000 years)

As more time passed since the heresy, technology declined, so maybe thats
why imperial troops lost many of the early toys,like jetbikes,landspeeders
for the guard, all the beastmen were purged, the squats went off to get
more beer and never came back, etc

Change #2
shortly after the heresy, SM were mindwiped,IG killed if they saw chaos.
now in the "nicer imperium" that doen't happen anymore. Otherwise, how
would there be any IG cadian troops?
>
> > Horus Heresy Mk II LR ( 2 AT Shots, can't carry termis - the usual SM1
> > and SM2 one)
>
> Um, Alan, if the Mk.2 LR can't carry Termies, then what is it doing on
> the company card in Epic 2nd edition? I think you might want to shunt
> the SM2 LRs under the 'Spartan' category, especially since the excerpt
> from WD#119 says that it became standard issue throughout the Imperium.
> (Hmm, maybe that's why Termies are always mounted in LRs... tradition
> dating back to that battle....)
>
> However, I agree that the LRs in SM 1 can't carry Termies; in fact,
> their use in the Transport Pool is actually limited to transporting
> assault and devastator detachments! Guess those tac troops just don't
> get the good stuff....
>
Agree with that. Maybe all the SM2 LR were upgraded to spartans, and GW
never told anyone about it.....

> > Horus Heresy Mk IIa LR aka Spartan ( 2 AT shots, can carry termis, speed
> > 25)
>
> Why the speed 25? If the Spartan was "refined and retained as a
> standard part of Imperial equipment" it doesn't make sense that it's
> that much better. It should just get the ability to carry Termies....

yep, same speed as earlier LR. maybe give it FP1, to represent the
termies shooting extra guns.then again, maybe not. Let the termies
shoot while being transported?

>
> > Mk III LR aka E40K LR ( 2 AT shots, can also carry termis)
> >
with the E40k LR, looks almost like it was developed the the spartan
conversion, ie it had more in common than the regular Mk2 LR

<snip whirlwind stuff, which looked good>

> don't, then why can't it carry troops?

more ammo? indirect targeting gear? forgot to install seats in the back?
>
> > Mk I Vindicator - this was on a purpose-built chassis, inspired by the
> > Rhino. All the external bits were cleaned off, leaving a smooth,
> > featureless surface. Later, it was found that the additional benefit was
> > negligible, and cost was high.
>
> Um, Alan, no. The Mk.1 Vindicator was a Rhino with a gun on the front;
> it retained *all* the markings and external bits of the Rhino, in spite
> of the heavy armour (which is, I think, why the Mk.2 was featureless --
> heavy armour plating). It even still has the bolter cupolas, though the
> bolters themselves seem to have been removed.
>
> > Mk II Vindicator - this used Rhino components. Again, it was found that
> > the benefits of using non-rhino components were low, and the cost high.
>
> This used a Rhino as the basic chassis, with a large cannon mounted
> forward and heavy armour plating added to all sides. While providing
> greater protection for the tank, it redeced its speed accordingly.
>
> > Mk III Vindicator - a Rhino with a modification kit.
>
> <blink>
> <blink>
> If this is the E40K Vindicator, I'd tsay that *this* is the first
> purpose-built Vindicator... the other two are much more likely to be
> simply modified Rhinos.
>
> > All have identical stats. The Mk I, II and III correspond to different
> > generations of models.


agree with your Mk#

Didn't the earliest Vindicators only have 6 rounds of ammo?


> <nod>
>
> Aaron Teske
> Mithramuse+_at_...
>

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