Re: [Epic] SM2 -> E40k Orky injustice

From: Scott Shupe <shupes_at_...>
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 12:38:56 -0500

Matthew J. Silvernail wrote:
>
[SM/TL Stompa stats]
> Troop | Move | Save | CAF | Range | Dice | To-hit | Save mod
> --------+------+-----+------+-------+------+--------+---------
> Stomper | 10cm | 1+ | +8 | 50cm | 1 | 3+ | -4
> LR | 20cm | 2+ | +3 | 75cm | 2 | 5+ | -2
>
> The Stomper had the following special rule:
> Do not have to make morale checks and cannot be routed.
> The Land Raider had: Transport(2)
>
> And the E40k stats for each:
>
> Troop | Speed | Range | FP | Armour | Special
> -------+-------+-------+------+--------+--------
> Stompa | 15cm | 45cm | 4 | 5+ |
> LR | 20cm | 45cm | 2xAT | 6+ | Stubborn, Transport(2)
>
> Okay, let's take a summary of what's happened between
> editions here. Stompa had: Better armor than LR, better
> armor-piercing weapon (by far) than LR, and the equivalent
> rule to E40k's stubborn ability. In E40k, Stompa has:
> Worse armor than LR, no anti-tank shot, and has lost
> stubborn while the LR has gained it. So what's wrong
> with this picture?

        Well, it did get faster... Also it's gun range has
been increased (relatively; 45cm in E40k is equivalent to
75cm in SM/TL).

> By the way, the reason I looked at this in the first
> place is that I've noticed that Stompas just plain suck
> on the battlefield in E40k. Now that I see how much
> they've been downgraded without an equivalent decrease
> in points cost, its obvious why they perform so poorly.

        How much do they cost in E40k? And this could be a
problem with the LR being under-priced, as opposed to the
Stompa being over-priced. I have a feeling that any unit to
unit comparison with a LR is going to make the non-LR unit
look bad.

> Now, given the above, let me approximate what Stompas
> should* be like in E40k:
>
> Troop | Speed | Range | FP | Armor | Special
> -------+-------+-------+------+-------+--------
> Stompa | 15cm | 45cm | 1xAT | 6+ | Stubborn
>
> Although actually, with the to-hit number and save mod of
> the SM2 Stomper Battle Cannon, its damned near a death ray,
> at least compared to the LR's Lascannons. But I digress.

        If you're going for a straight translation, the 50cm
range in SM/TL would be equivelent to a 30cm range in E40k.
And the 3+ to hit, -4 save mod is the same as a volcano cannon
without the damage-to-titans bonus. So I'd say make it:

Troop | Speed | Range | FP | Armor | Special
-------+-------+-------+------+-------+--------
Stompa | 15cm | 30cm | 1xDR | 6+ | Stubborn

        and adjust the points accordingly. This is probably
less useful than the standard E40k Stompa though...

Scott Shupe
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