> I mentioned previously that I am seriously thinking about a WH40k army
> based
> on the Waffen SS. This is not because I am a Nazi-lover (hate them),
> or I
> respect what they did in the war (big and effective gains, but
> terrible
> consequences), but just the fact that they have a very strong imagery
> that
> will perhaps fit in to the WH40k universe. I never intended to put
> Nazi
> symbols everywhere, not because I don't want to offend anyone, simply
> because I do not think that would fit into the 40k universe. I would
> copy
> their uniforms, however. It is the imagery and feel I am looking for.
> This
> army probably would cause atrocities, but then most armies would in
> 40k. I
> am not going to dwell on what they do in their spare time, I am just
> going
> to paint them, and play games with them.
>
--------> Trying to use a historical unit as a theme is fine (and it's
not like the IG aren't steered in that direction anyway), but in this
neck of the woods that;s usually not the idea - more below
> As for offending other people, I would always be the first to
> apologise for
> this, but I may not always be sincere. On my shelf, I have Airfix
> models of
> Me-109's and Spitfires. WWII is just an interest of mine. If
> anything this
> had made me anti-German as a whole, but I'll always try to avoid any
> sort of
> prejudice, in mind and action.
>
---------> I have a whole bookshelf full of WW2 info and so I understand
the interest factor : )
In various wargames (ASL, etc) the Germans are often the most popular
side to play. That's what got me started, and in many late-war scenarios
it's that whole "elite well equipped few holding back the tide" thing,
which may be why I like marines in epic, but see below.
(The SS also had those cool white on black counters in the original
version of Squad Leader, so I've felt the attraction...)
> I cannot speak for the cultural difference between you and I (I assume
> that
> not all Americans are like those who appear on Rikki Lake and other
> such
> things),
Heh. I wonder sometimes...
> but I am a member of the WH40k list also and it does seem that this
> list has more reasonable, thinking people. If you see a Waffen SS
> Guard
> army, you'll know the owner is not necessarily a Nazi, or if he does
> have a
> bad attitude, you'll know just to walk away from it and leave him to
> his own
> crap little world.
--------> If I can tell from the paint job it's a Waffen SS-modelled
army, cool. If it's just a bunch of troops painted black with swastikas
everywhere , it's just a pathetic 13 yr old trying to impress someone or
ripe for a white-supremacist recruiter to stop by. May seem unlikely but
remember gamers are kind of a fringe crowd (here at least) and sometimes
cross over into other fringe groups, whether the relatively harmless
(though annoying) vampire/goth/anne rice-ophile crowd or something
nastier. This is Texas, where some nuts think we were annexed illegally
by the U.S. start shooting feds and call themselves "patriots".
People can be a bit touchy here, and a lot of it is legit. The
closest analogue to the swastika locally is the Confederate "stars &
bars" flag which for some people is a source of pride/history, for
others a symbol of oppression. Schools have had to change their mascot
from a "rebel" (Southern soldier) to something more acceptable because
some people object to it. A person's miniatures are their own and not
public property, but if someone locally plans to play in stores or with
people who aren't good friends, and paints up a swastika-laden army then
whatever the rationale I'd say they were more interested in making
trouble than playing the game. I've seen a guy go way overboard on a
WH40K army this way a while back and I'm sure it could happen again.
> There is no offence meant anywhere in this posting, and it is probably
> good
> that we are talking about it, even if it is slightly off-topic. Any
> comments will, of course, be welcome.
>
>
-------> No offence here either.We've all built a model of the Bismark
or an ME-262, right? I'd just advise restraint and good sense when
dabbling in this area as a theme is great, historical interest is great,
but if it's just shock value, the game isn't the main focus anymore...
Chris Miller
Received on Tue Feb 10 1998 - 19:39:03 UTC
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