Bloodax218_at_... wrote:
OK, a last attempt at rationality:
> Well dont worry, i wont be playing my National Socialist Guard forces with a
> bunch of people who cannot handle the sight of the swastika.
>
> I do not have anything against it, it is a widely used symbol, chinese have
> used it, mongols have used it, everybody has used it!
>
> Before WWII there was no problem with it, and indeed until recently it was
> just considered the banner of an old enemy!
Sure, and if you wanted to use the symbol as a symbol of something else, that would be
a somewhat more valid arguement. However, you want to use that symbol specifically to
its most horrid application. You don't want to use with those other groups, you want to
use it with psychopaths whose elite-ness was more to do with their unswerving hatred
than anything else.
> Until all these documentaries, i.e. propaganda, came out, i mean hey, it
> does'nt take a genius to see that these shows present little fact and alot of
> personal slander, comical if you ask me. I'm not stupid, i can tell what is
> propaganda and what is not!
I'm not convinced of that last statement. What documentaries are faked; the part where
they flayed the interesting tatoos for ornament, the part where women and children were
made to strip and then run into showers where Zyklon-B was administered, or the part
where mothers were forced to pick which child died first?
> Look at the wars of the past, how many armies have exterminated large numbers
> of peoples? the Mongols exterminated 4-10 million chinese civillians, 2
> million Arabs, and a few thousand Russians.
Ah, yes. And their situations were so similar; the germans were definately threatened
by the numerically and technologically superior Jews. That's why they let so many of
them live once they had been sufficiently cowed; at least they would have if the Allies
hadn't been so duped by propoganda and treacherously attacked the reich.
> Even durning the crusades there was "ethnic cleansing" or jews and arabs.
> After WWII Russia exterminated 10-20 million Ukranian Civillians for helping
> Germany!
Hey, that's right! God, why does Stalin get so much hero worship in the western world?
> The Nazis were nothing special, everybody has exterminated large numbers of
> non-combatants.
Actually, they were very special; they slaughtered their own people, who were of zero
threat, even after stripping them of everything they owned and reducing them to slaves.
They did not kill them in the heat of battle, or as punishment for disobediance, or as
a warning to other jews to stay out of germany, or for vengance for a long string of
tit for tat massacres spanning hundreds of years. They killed through a well built
infrastructure, designed to be as efficient as a cattle slaughterhouse, as secretly as
was possible. They were killed for the simple joy of hating.
> The recent trend in the US and Europe of promoting things like world peace,
> love of life, etc. etc. have made the masses a bunch of morons who cry "war
> crime" when any damn little slaughter breaks out!
Better that than a bunch of morons who blaim all of their problems on another group,
thus giving them the opportunity to make themselves feel better by beating the shit out
of slightly different strangers while avoiding any actual thinking.
Yes, our civilization still has problems, but any observer can see it evolving into
something better. The thought of total war between any of the worlds major players is
almost unthinkable now; communication and trade have made many of the great animosities
fade. 200 years ago, who would have thought that France, Germany and England would
become allies for over 50 years, or that after a major war the victors would help
rebuild the losers instead of trying to hold them under heel.
> WWII, being not so long ago, has had alot of attention paid to it, thus many
> people focus on that as being the most horrible instance of "genocide" in
> history, but again, nothing special.
Again, quite special. See above.
> War is war, war is hell......but only if done right....
> Sorry for ranting, got a bit out of hand, but damnit, this discussion was about a scenario for epic, not a damn forum to declare personal political opinions!
Then what was all that other crap?
> Oh well, lets drop it and get bacl to epic, heheheh.
Oh, no. You made a fool of yourself, and will likely now pay a price.
> Erik von Totenreich
>
> P.S.
> You guessed it, I'm not big on Human Rights or "War Crimes" trials.
> Especially since the U.N. and U.S. use selective prosectution, i.e. Iraq
> shelter incident, Israeli bombing of U.N. refugee compound, etc.
I see. So I'm to take it that if the UN was autonomous and prosecuted everyone equally,
suddenly war crimes would be important to you. That makes sense: Until everyone gets a
fair shake, we should allow people to stomp each other as much as they want.
Yes the UN is largely a pawn of the US, but there are strong forces that try to change
it. At some point in the not so distant future, the security council will face a nasty
choice; give up some power, or watch the UN dissolve.
Again we are not perfect, but we are getting better.
You, on the other hand, would seem to not be getting better. From the sound of it,
you've bought into the neo-fascist revisionism shit pretty hard, and like the taste so
much you needed to share it. I doubt you will get much from this message, but hopefully
anyone who hadn't been exposed to this crap before can recognize the taste of shit
before they swallow it.
As expected, you went from just making an menacing-looking army design to hero-worship.
Thane
Received on Wed Feb 11 1998 - 07:10:17 UTC
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