[NetEpic ML] Re: Fight Cheese with Cheddar

From: Michele Heidal <gizmo_at_...>
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 09:00:36 -0000


A simple answer. When GW put objectives in the game, it was to even up the
armies, for they favored the heck out of the marines in the army list.And
made up for that with objectives. For orks and eldar to go for, for they,
have a hard time playing a shoot out or hand to hand fight game against
marines. So, they gave them some fast moving companies to flank and grab
objectives, Hence, My old marine jet bike modles from 1st epic game that
they did away with in 2nd.( could use some rules for these please) We at
are gaming group have found, that it is better to play half objectives. This
still leaves leadway for the weaker force to get vp, ork not being able to
hit braod side of barn, or eldar that are out numbered 2 to 1. This way you
get alot of fighting plus if you don,t watch your back the game could be
stolen from you by objectives. What do you think!!! Good rule!!
Example (3000 = 30 vp so only 15 vp of objectives)
The rest come from broke or destroyed units. When faced with odd number of
objective simply place the one left over dead center of battlefield, no dumb
roll off, for the poor guy that always rolls low. This way of playing has
not slowed game play at all, most only being 1 long being 2 1/2 hours for
3000 pt armies
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From: Peter Ramos <pramos1_at_...>
To: netepic_at_egroups.com <netepic_at_egroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, March 24, 1999 1:51 AM
Subject: [NetEpic ML] Re: Fight Cheese with Cheddar


This raises another question I have had over the years. Although the VP
system is a perfectly good system to when a game ends, it does give wierd
situations like the one described. Many times a game has ended because a
lonely stand keeps an objective while overpowering force is but mere
centimeters away. It makes me wonder on what the real "end" of the game
should be. I have entertained used fixed goals with clear provisions for
victory, but this extends the game somewhat. the upside is a more realistic
game with no last minute dashes to the finish line.

Some simple goals could be to take a couple of objectives that are closely
packed and the winner is he who captures them adn from that moment HOLDING
them for "X" amount of turns. It does open possibilities, but extends play.

Then again, once I set the table I dont keep track of time....


cmackenzie_at_... wrote:

> Sometimes it makes a welcome break to fight with a cheesy army against an
equally cheesy opponent. It provides different challenges, and can be as
good as a 'proper' game. However the satisfaction you get from beating a
cheesy opponent with a standard army is uncomparable. Stealing an battle
winning objective with an infantry detachment from in front of a gargant big
mob and watching your opponent try desperatly to wipe them out and suddenly
realising he's not going to do it is an excellent feeling. I've also
experienced the other side of the coin, when I first took an Imperator
against a Chaos force. My brother decided that seeing as he couldn't match
it or destroy it, he would take a force capable of surviving against it.
Accordingly he took more Greater Daemons and regeneration troops, and
avoided titans that would be destroyed and give me massive victory points. I
am told the look on my face when his unit of trolls regenerated right in
front of my titan and took an objective was something else. Of course this
was only possible because the campaign rules we were playing with limited me
to one Imperator which I had to show on the map so everybody knew when they
would be facing it. Overall though ask yourself why you are taking a cheesy
army. If its because you want to beat your opponent, aren't you accepting
that you can't beat him through a more balanced army choice, and secondly if
beating your opponent is more important than actually triumphing in a
contest then why bother playing in the first place??
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