Hi!
One complaint I have had about GW is what you point out. They are in desparate need of EXTERNAL playtester. For those who have been around the list for awhile we all know when you design a game the person(s) least likely to catch mistakes and mechanics errors IS (ARE) the developer(s). This is because the one who makes the game will compensate for errors or poorly working mechanisms while he plays. It is only when an external playtester who has never seen the game and plays it that erros, even very obvious ones, come to the front.
Those who worked in Heresy know how much it changed from creation to finale. The original ideas and mechanics are still there but their execution, wording and smooth of play were changed for the better.
As I have said before, GW will NEVER truely produce a superior games system until they get qualified beta-testers.
Peter
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Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 8:49 AM
Subject: Re: [NetEpic ML] Epic 40,000 evolution
> oh yeah! since teh start with 40K they been stuck on role play wargaming.
> they even copy right 3D Role play in the original hard cover. Just give it
> up and say it is a wargame and stay away from any ideas of role play. You
> can find one liners in articles and small things in the copy right pages.
> And it keeps coming up. Like talking about his first game in IQ. In the 70's
> [yes the 70's] wargames were very hardline. all historicals. GW was just
> getting into it with WHFB. Back then it came in a box with thre little books
> and a couple of dice, just like all RPGs. If you think some of their rules
> are bad try playing 2nd WHFB. my whole army was one figure. Yes I know i was
> a cheesy SOB when i was younger!
>
> I think they have giving up on make things up as you go. Last edition they
> pushed for that. Leaving rules opened ended. But that went out the window
> with the GT and games day. Talking with the guys they are cool but they are
> not into to making it right right away. I was in a tournament with Andy
> Chambers as the rules judge. He would let players say bring in a tech marine
> with a gravitation gun. the payer explained it and he said cool. One player
> say it and bitch at Andy till he changed his mind. Andy just wanted the guy
> out of his face. Tomas for give me if i spelled his name wrong. He more up
> front. but a very nice guy. Shor and buff. he is a game freak. any game he
> can get into he is there for hours. vampire, cyberpunk even pokemon' yes he
> like an 8 year when it comes to the knowledge of Pokemon.
>
> also playtesting does happen. it is not easy i been busting both nuts to
> become one but the games designers want to meet you first. then they talk
> about you then decide. Playtesting is done by guys who play to much by the
> rules and should be by guys wwho will rape it for what it is worth. so all
> the holes and flaws are exposed. otherwise they glance at the playtesters
> work and move on. We suggestions and they think about it. If you players made
> up stuff play tet it and send in a battle report. it would get someones
> attention. the big key if feed back. Look at BFG and the Necrons.
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