Hi!
Amir thanks for the report!! Its been awhile since we had a battle report. If yu can get a copy to Tom for Incoming! for the next issue.
Don't worry about mistakes, we all make them. I have played this game forever and still make quite large bloopers.
Some armies have specific HQ command rules (Orks, IG) and other none. This means SM doesn't really have to be anywhere close to their HQ, thats the flexibility they have over more rigid armies like IG.
As you played it, net epic includes rules for alternating movement like the fire phase, it definately makes for a better game.
We used to have a short explanation regarding the differences between the two games (net epic and epic), but it hasn't been circulated for a while. Heres a short list but by no means complete:
1. Alternating movement. No longer you need to fear losing initiative and watch the other guy move his whole army before you can.
2, Snap fire- if your on first fire you can snap fire the enemy when he moves with a -1 penalty to hit. This way movement is "free" as it once was.
3. Fog of war- you dont reveal your orders like before, you reveal ONLY the unit you activate as you move it. This keeps the opponent guessing. This makes a BIG difference when combined with the above two.
4. Titan purchasing system. Not all titans are created equal! Better weapons will now cost more and earn you opponent more VP's when you destroy it.
5. Things like the Leviathan are now called "praetorians" and are titan classed units with their own templates. This makes them VERY deadly.
6. Super heavies dont die with one shot (usually) they are a simplified short damage table.
7. Psychics have been cleared up and reclassified for easy application.
8. Tyranid rules are basically all new, the GW design was flawed.
9. A host of unit stat changes and power changes too numerous to mention.
Those are the "basics".
Ahh, the Gazkhull special card eh? Net Epic doens't allow as core rules any of the old special cards for characters. Many were too unbalancing and cheesy. They are strictly optional and net epic doesn't even list them (I personally dislike them).
Regarding your IG question net epic has explicit pinning rules and who can fire what in first fire and advance. Suffice to say if you cant pin the unit it can fire at anything it wants. This eliminates the "I pin you titan with a infantry stand" syndrome that was so abundant before.
Knights are pretty cool, but if used correctly. They aren't super men. but in net epic they get teh same super heavy advantage with a damage table. Remember the lancer shoots in the close combat phase (few units do this) and can kill units before it enters close combat. Errant are great titan killer because the get a bonus for the power glove.
Peter
----- Original Message -----
From: "amir gamzu" <agamzu_at_...>
To: <netepic_at_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 4:14 PM
Subject: [NetEpic ML] my battle report, sorry both long and under titan legions rules
> first let me say thanks to netepic, for not only
> keeping my interest in epic for the last year or so,
> but also inspiring me to play, here is my battle
> report
>
>
>
>
> a note from the author,
>
> hope someone enjoys this, I did a first edit so it
> makes a bit more sense, but I
>
>
> wrote this in a few small parts so there is no
> organization and its a very
> stream of conscious battle report
>
>
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> orc vr imperial (mostly titan legions, rest space
> marines.
>
> pts just over 15,000
>
> lets see, I've just moved and set up my epic stuff for
> the first time in about 2
>
>
> Years, so we were really rusty (joined netepic during
> dormancy, haven't tried
> using the netepic rules yet), my buddy playing orks
> had never played them before
>
>
> (but was giving it serious consideration 2 years ago
> last we were playing), so
> with all the funky rules things took time, he
> defiantly got away with a bunch of
>
>
> rules not being used properly to his advantage, but by
> the end of the game we
> got most of it figured out (like hey that mekboy
> kustom card can only be used on
>
>
> a formation, not a whole clan, but anyhow) we also
> came up with a kustom
> stompers clan, it consisted of 8 stompers and 2 nobz
> stompers, in post game
> reflection it should be 12 stompers and 4 nobz for
> about 1100, with 3 special
> rules 1- on the first turn the stompers can triple
> speed on charge 2- when not
> able to get orders members of the kustom stomper mob
> go on charge orders and
> rush into close combat with the nearest enemy model
> and 3- this clan card (gets
> special and up to 5 support cards) can only be used
> with 5 of the other clan
> cards, with the coming of a sixth clan (and then under
> titan legions you can
> keep adding clan cards with no rulz cuz the wa-ork is
> so big) so with the coming
>
>
> of the sixth clan, the stompers would all break up and
> go to their original
> clans
>
> ok, so that was a small paragraph, lets start with set
> up , we finally picked
> armies and were getting them placed on the
> battlefield, and did this a day ahead
>
>
> to be prepared for battle, the forces were like this
>
> ork (I may try to get proper names in here instead of
> descriptions ASAP)
>
> 2 sets of gargant big mobz, only 1 slasher among them
> 1 big mama (mega-gargant)
> 2 stompers clans/mobz (as described above)
> 4 weirdboy towers
> tons of clans/mobz just about all used (think he
> skipped one or two and may have
>
>
> doubled on some), in other words shit loads of guys
> 3 sets of the good artillery, like 1 at 3, -3 for
> 100cm
> 2/3 batteries hopsplat
> 1 group of the gun that shoots close combat at you
> 5 superheavy tanks
> 8 mekboys cars (the ones you get the cards with)
> a dozen or so landraiders
> and lots more artillery and extras to make big mobz
>
> imperial
>
> emperator titan
> warlord battle group
> reaver battle group
> pair o warhounds
> paladin house
> errant house
> lancer house
> a baron commanding a castlen and crusader supports
> golgatha
> stormblade co
>
> assault marines
> veteran (and a bunch o thunderhawks to carry em)
> terminators
> great wolf company(w/ ulrk and ragnar)
> devastators
> and assorted bikes/speeder bit more eh'
>
> on another side note, while plowing through the rules
> I can't seem to find the
> exact rules for giving space marines orders, there is
> no talk of command
> structure for them in the original space marines
> rulebook, and both titan
> legions(either book) and armies of the imperium, talk
> about space marines for a
> while, then when getting into imperial gaurd they give
> specific rules for
> command structure for IG, but don't refer to SM. NOW
> what's up with that
>
> (please
> I want input on this, did anyone else ever notice it?)
>
> ok, so we have a few modified rules that worked within
> the titan legions game
> which we tried to play more or less to the word, with
> one BIG exception, we
> alternate movement somewhat like fire, but into larger
> then detachment size,
> sometimes we break down to company or just wings of
> attack, this is used to make
>
>
> it so who ever wins initiative doesn't just get to
> move his whole army into
> perfect position after the initiative loser moves or
> grabbing all the good
> ground on the first turn, but to maintain a good
> healthy advantage to winning
> it. we felt the move at once made it too healthy of
> an advantage when you won
> initiative, and winning 2 or 3 initiatives in a row
> would win the game, period..
>
> so, even with plus one I lost the first initiative and
> he chose for me to move
> first, and chose my movements like a moron (hey I was
> really rusty), I moved a
> titan battle group and he took a building with troops
> that I realized right
> away, hey, that would have been the perfect first
> move. see I remember having to
>
>
> move titans before tanks and knights so there would be
> room for them, just
> forgot to move my space marines first, ok then with
> each of us with one move
> left, sitting there debating in my head to take my
> terminators out of their land
>
>
> raider or not, I chose so wrong, left them in and his
> last group (which I
> couldn't see cause it was hiding behind a building)
> stormed up and took my
> landraiders into close combat.
>
> well, that first round went ok,he double teamed my
> land raiders and tied with
> the 2 of the 4, dont' ask why, but we used to play if
> the first guy tied you
> didn't keep fighting the next ( a little bonus for the
> underdog) but I figure
> you should keep on fighting, so first netepic
> question:
>
> in netepic, when 3 buggies attack a land raider and
> the first one ties
> in close combat, do the other ones keep fighting
>
> 2- if my land raider still had movement left, could
> the terminators inside come
> out?
>
> 3- if a model with troops inside survived the close
> combat with a tie, can the
> models get out during the next turn or are they stuck
> in
>
> note- I'm trying to polish up on epic, then I'll work
> on learning netepic,but
> will apply all your answers to these questions to how
> we play epic
>
> 4- is there a net epic document that outlines the
> differences of it and epic?
>
> ok, lots of shit blew up and he took out 1 titan, the
> imperator did great,
> having rolled 9 plasma or something like that and I
> had bunches of warp missiles
>
>
> shooting into the gargants from other titans
>
> turn two is where I really got smashed, the big
> problem was he used the SUPER
> ork warbos card that give me a -1 to shoot all orks
> and extra die roll to
> all ork close combat
>
> 5- do you guys limit this or allow it at all in net
> epic(like maybe to just one
> clan)
>
> that just about finished me off, terminators got
> slaughtered left and right and
> with him double teaming me alot I just couldn't do
> much with 2D6 vs 4D6
>
> that just about took care of me, it limited my ability
> to break more of his
> clans (with out the bonuses he would have been much,
> much worse off)
>
> the third turn was plenty of fun, with the imperator
> fighting a great gargant
>
> 6- should a imp be allowed to fire if first fire if he
> takes someone into close
> combat? I mean his weapons towered over the great
>
> ok, lets see, I also blew up my plasma gun on the imp
> in the second turn due to
> a misunderstanding of how the bubble-chucker worked, I
> didn't fight it cause I
> could already tell the battle was over, and I was
> going to lose. in reflection,
>
>
> I'm kinda starting to think that the lancers suck ass,
> and even the errants
> aren't so hot, and like the way the paladin works
> best. I also think that even
> had the ork player been more on top of the rules he
> still would have one based
> on two main things, my super XXity first move and his
> bonuses to the close
> combat roles, and of course, the incredibly hard task
> of trying to break a mob.
>
> also did I forget to mention that we chose way too
> huge of a points value,
> especially for the first game in way too long.
>
>
> amir (rud23) - more battle reports to come, and lots
> of pictures too, also will be putting stuff up on ebay
> at some point and not sure if i should tell the group
> when i put them up, also what ever happened to the
> trading post, i think it was wargametrader that i used
> to go through but find it anymore
>
>
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