Hi!
No need to convince me on this point. Like I said I LIKE this idea. I'd
make them support cards, but instead of units they'd be upgrade
packages. I'd like to expand the idea to all armies too, mainly those
who don't have cards right now.
As mentioned before, I think it will be a good idea to leave ALL cards
as advanced rules. You can play the game with out cards (and yes this
means chaos, orks and tyranids would NOT get any cards in a basic game)
or play one with them. Also we would need to standardize the rules for
cards. Note this does not mean to rip away any character of those cards
to their respective armies, but to have clear common rules on how they
work so as not to have "super" cards or effects.
I'd suggest Rune, start assembling ideas for these "support" cards.
Points costs effect all that, even test them. Since the Slann are
further down the schedule you have lots of time to try them out.
Peter
-----Original Message-----
From: rune.karlsen6_at_... [mailto:rune.karlsen6@...]
Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 11:06 AM
To: netepic_at_yahoogroups.com
Subject: Sv: Sv: RE: [NetEpic ML] An idea for Slann Mechs
Hi,
The reason why the Tau and Slann could do it, is because
of their advanced technology. Besides, there are only 3 types
of mechs, and only the heavy mech seems to fulfill its role.
That's my point, they don't work. They need to be more flexible,
and the upgrades is a fine way of doing it without changing cost.
The maxed out weapon slots will be equivalent to the heavy mech.
Other weaponry will exist as well. Today, you have either 75cms,
or 25cms. There is no inbetween, so if you want to have a tankbuster
mech, or a close combat mech, you have to go with the heavy mech.
The Slann have very few units compared with other armies, and they
need to be a little more flexible some places. One of the things
that makes Epic so fun to play, is the diversity of units. The more
units you have to choose between, the more fun it is. When you have
only 4 company cards, of which 2 are infantry and the other 2 are
two versions of the mechs, you are severly limited. I'm not doing
this to cheese up the Slann, i just want to have some more choices,
making them a more dynamic army to play.
If we never changed things which work, we'd still be in the
dark ages. "Hey, Slavery works for us, why change it?".
Well, thats a little extreme, but what seems to work for you
doesn't necessarily mean it works for someone else. You are and
will always be the voice of the conservative, guess that's why
we argue so much :)
Rune
>
> Fra: <eivind.borgeteien_at_...>
> Dato: 2002/04/08 Mon PM 03:48:23 CEST
> Til: netepic_at_yahoogroups.com
> Emne: Sv: RE: [NetEpic ML] An idea for Slann Mechs
>
> Hi
>
> Im not too found of the idea of custom building knights. First of all,
if we use it on the Slann, we should use it on all other knights as
well. Second, I think it wil be harder to keep the game and armies
ballanced and see with horror on the possibility to max out the weapons
slots making the knights walking cheesedoodles.
>
> Why change a thing that works as it is?
>
> Eivind
> >
> > Fra: "Peter Ramos" <primarch_at_...>
> > Dato: 2002/04/08 Mon PM 02:35:55 CEST
> > Til: <netepic_at_yahoogroups.com>
> > Emne: RE: [NetEpic ML] An idea for Slann Mechs
> >
> > Hi!
> >
> > Now that IS an interesting idea. You get upgraded stuff, but at a
cost
> > of valuable support slots, not a bad idea at all.
> >
> > Peter
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nils.saugen_at_... [mailto:nils.saugen@...]
> > Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 4:13 AM
> > To: netepic_at_yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: RE: [NetEpic ML] An idea for Slann Mechs
> >
> > Aha my good friend I think you miss the point!
> >
> > In order to upgrade your mechs you have to "sacrifice" a support
> > card!!!! :)
> >
> > I really like that idea!!! It was first suggested way back when we
where
> > talking about TAU
> >
> > Nils
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rune Karlsen [mailto:rune.karlsen6_at_...]
> > Sent: 8. april 2002 09:21
> > To: netepic_at_yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [NetEpic ML] An idea for Slann Mechs
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I really can't see your point here. I just don't understand the
> > difference
> > in
> > buying a card which tells you what upgrade your mech has vs. looking
at
> > a list of options and choosing from that.The titan weapons lists are
> > pretty
> > easy to choose from, and the mech list would be exactly the same,
only
> > with fewer options (like a maximum of 10 or so, including all the
> > different
> > uprades). If you use cards, you'd have to look at a list of cards
> > anyway,
> > or look through your pile of cards. Could you please explain why
cards
> > would be better?
> >
> > Rune
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Peter Ramos" <primarch_at_...>
> > To: <netepic_at_yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2002 11:03 PM
> > Subject: RE: [NetEpic ML] An idea for Slann Mechs
> >
> >
> > > Hi!
> > >
> > > Problem is how do you introduce that into the game as a mechanic?
More
> > > tables and stuff? Nah, too many tables as is. Your proposed
mechanic
> > is
> > > by far easier to be introduced as a "Card". It amounts to the same
> > thing
> > > in the end. You buy companies and support as usually you just add
some
> > > cards to the mix as well.
> > >
> > > Peter
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Rune Karlsen [mailto:rune.karlsen6_at_...]
> > > Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2002 12:04 PM
> > > To: netepic_at_yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: Re: [NetEpic ML] An idea for Slann Mechs
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > There seems to be some sort of misunderstanding here. Im talking
about
> > > upgrade cards, not some sort of chaos cards. It was Peter who
called
> > > them
> > > cards, i just call them upgrades :)
> > > The idea is to build a mech lego style, paying for a chassis and
then
> > > adding
> > > what you want from a restricted list, just like titans :)
> > >
> > > Rune
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Weasel Fierce" <septimus__at_...>
> > > To: <netepic_at_yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2002 5:41 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [NetEpic ML] An idea for Slann Mechs
> > >
> > >
> > > > >The concept of "cards" is certainly not alien to epic. Many
armies
> > > have
> > > > >them (chaos, orks and tyranids). In the Slann armies case it
sounds
> > > > >pretty good to round them out without blanket stat changes. The
> > slann
> > > > >definitely have enough technology to set-up their armies in
this
> > > manner.
> > > > >
> > > > >I'd say adding these as well as a price adjustment for the
slann
> > > (since
> > > > >no complaints regarding any other units have been mentioned)
will
> > > round
> > > > >off the slann quite well.
> > > > >
> > > > >Keep these handy when the time comes Rune.
> > > >
> > > > Having yet more cards. Seems that armies like the imperial guys
and
> > > eldar
> > > > get screwed yet again.
> > > > All these cards being thrown around are free benefits. In
addition
> > to
> > > the
> > > > troops you pay your points for, you get the advantages of the
cards
> > > which
> > > > arent paid for in any way (at least not for orks, nids and
chaos).
> > > >
> > > > These armies are already powerfull enough on their own.
> > > >
> > > > I'd say to make the field even and add "strategy cards" or
similar
> > to
> > > the
> > > > imperials and something to the other armies that dont have them
yet.
> > > >
> > > > Weasel
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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