RE: [NetEpic ML] 5.0 review

From: <jyrki.saari_at_...>
Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 15:38:20 +0300

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ext Peter Ramos [mailto:primarch_at_caribe.net]
> Sent: 14. May 2002 15:18
> To: netepic_at_yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [NetEpic ML] 5.0 review
>
>
> Hi!
>
> I understand you're worry. It is a difficult balancing act on what to
> change and what not. But as you mention playing the game has
> a lot to do
> with experiencing what can be changed and what not.
>
[snip]
> However some of the issues on the table are not radical, but
> necessary.
> The issue of free cards is NOT new. It was argued over even on the old
> space marine list many years ago. The bottom line is GW has a
> bad habit
> of adding things to army lists without a proper cost (for free in this
> case). While the Avatar unit I don't have a problem with of
> being free,
> all the other ones I do, especially when there is no real
> restriction to
> which can be used. It may be one unit, but its one unit more than your
> opponent gets. Although, this we will leave for the eldar discussion
> perhaps defining craftworlds like we do SM chapters may be the way to
> go. This way "x" craftworld can get "x" unit CHEAPER (not
> free). Just an
> idea.
>

I really think we should concentrate on developing a point value system which reflects the capabilities of different units so well there's no need to give any armies discount. If, after the point values have been rationalized, there is some army which still doesn't get a balanced force then the said army must be revised thoroughly.

> Wind rider host. This one is as old and as contentious as the old
> holofield issue before it was settled. The fact is other than eldar
> players, everyone hates it and it promotes all those wind rider host
> armies that are infamous. Simply put it's too cheap. By
> Birol's formulas
> it should be worth something like 800 points. I realize company cards
> get HQ and their transports for free and the Eldar don't have these.
> That's and easy fix, if it should be worth 800 give it a discount for
> not having the HQ's, say 50 points and make it worth 750.
> Eldar players
> still get a break and the value is more commensurate with the units
> effectiveness.
>

And this should not be done just to Wind Riders but to ALL units which seem over/underpriced in ALL of the armies.

> Preatorians. We changed them and it was for the better. They are
> stronger more powerful as they should be. But guess what? We never
> changed the points cost accordingly. This one has 5 years of
> testing and
> they are ALL under priced. Does anyone actually think that a colossus
> worth 500 points is just as good as a reaver for the same amount? NO
> WAY! The colossus has eaten the reaver in EVERY single game I
> have seen
> them playing without exception. Now pit it versus a warlord and you'll
> surprise yourself. They need a price raise.
>

Exactly. with the addition of a template their survivability increased manyfold. A price increase is in order.

[snip]
>
> Peter
>


Jyrki Saari

-There is no such thing as free lunch because eating takes time and time is money.
Received on Tue May 14 2002 - 12:38:20 UTC