I agree that something has to be done, and splitting between CSM and
D�mon armies is one of the things to do.
However, I think that this division should not be the primary one:
the real split should be made between Chaos Powers themselves.
My proposal?
2 distinct Chaos codexes: Chaos Space Marines and D�monic Hordes.
Players must choose ONE Chaos power (Khorne, Nurgle, Slaanesh,
Tzeentch or Chaos Undivided) and commit at least 50% (75%? 66%?) of
their troops to that Chaos god, choosing more or less freely between
units in both codexes (details of this in the respective codexes
Allies section). The rest of the point may be spent on units from
either Chaos Undivided or Chaos gods 'allied' with the Main Army
Chaos god (so Khorne cannot ally with Tzeentch and Slaanesh cannot
ally with Nurgle). This should stop Chaos players from having the
best CC troops (Khorne), artillery (Nurgle), flyers (Tzeentch) and
fast troops (Slaanesh), and the making of the army list can really
shape the type of Chaos army you will face.
--- In netepic_at_y..., "Peter Ramos" <primarch_at_c...> wrote:
> Hi!
>
> We can now consider the imperial forces a done deal and I ask Jar to
> finalize whatever he needs to from those corresponding books.
>
> On to chaos!
>
> Out all the army lists this one needs the most "clarification".
Before
> diving into the army lists proper some discussions on the nature of
the
> lists themselves needs to be done.
>
> For many years it has been pointed out to me that the chaos lists
are
> "unbalanced". For those years I was mostly of the opinion that it
was
> player inexperience that produced those complaints. That was until
one
> game I had with Darius when I lived in Philadelphia. I played my
typical
> force of chaos space marines backed up by demons and won easily. Too
> easily in my opinion. Darius is a veteran player so "inexperience"
was
> not the answer. Then it dawned on me what the problem was and as
usual
> it was staring me in the face all these years.
>
> It's not a problem of the units themselves or the army being too
> powerful. The problem is that chaos has too GOOD a selection of
troops.
> We have always known that playing a combined Imperial force makes a
> powerful combination since you can get the best troops (SM) and the
best
> tanks/artillery (IG). Net Epic enforces "pure" armies since this
> guarantees the best balance available. Allies are by CONSENT only.
> However the chaos list violates this since we can choose between
chaos
> space marine equipment, demon engines, demons themselves and some IG
> cultist equipment. The chaos lists have evolved to exactly what we
don't
> permit in any other army list.
>
> The fix, of course, is obvious. The list MUST be divided in order to
> provide balance to it since, as it stands, it is unbalanced. I
recommend
> it be broken in to the following parts that form ONE book (akin to
> armies of the Imperium):
>
> Chaos space marines: This is the most obvious division. In effect
the
> army will be similar in strengths and weaknesses to the standard SM
> army. We will define what "Imperial" equipment is available to them
and
> leave it at that. The CSM legion card will become a company card as
per
> standard rules and this will eliminate those annoying confusions
over
> how to attach those cards. In effect the center of a chaos space
marine
> army will be the Legion, its primarch or a greater demon. All other
> rules remain as usual.
>
> Cultists: This will mainly be a PDF style army with all their
> limitations (they are not supposed to be as good as IG), led by
demons.
>
> Demonic hordes: These demon heavy armies with fantastical beasts
(like
> minotaurs and such) and demon engines.
>
> We can also designate if desired, some common units used by any
branch
> of chaos.
>
> I await some opinions and discussion before entering the list
itself.
>
> Peter
Received on Tue Nov 19 2002 - 13:09:42 UTC