Hi!
<groan> I really should read all the e-mails before answering. Yes, it
makes sense now. Thw bolt of change is a strange power, while the bolt
seems physical the transformation is pretty funky and self-repair should
not stop Tzeentch's power. Magnus's beam is another story, its purely a
high powered laser that should be repaired.
I guess we were all correct <grin>
Peter
nils.saugen_at_... wrote:
> I stand to be corrected........
>
> This was regarding the Bolt of Change which is a Greater Deamon of Tzeench
> power, which the Necrons cant save from. (Killed units are transformed into
> Chaos Spawns, and is a non physical psychic power)And the Beam of Power
> (Which is a pysical psycic power). I've made the mistake of mixing these two
> Tzeench powers. I'm truly sorry.
>
> Nils
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Karlsen Rune [mailto:rune.karlsen_at_...]
> Sent: 5. mars 2001 11:36
> To: 'netepic_at_yahoogroups.com'
> Subject: RE: [NetEpic ML] Titan CC
>
>
> I think what Peter meant here was non-physical psychic
> powers. I can see no reason why it shouldnt help against
> a physical psychic power. Peter?
>
> Rune
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nils.saugen_at_... [mailto:nils.saugen_at_...]
>> Sent: 5. mars 2001 11:31
>> To: netepic_at_yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: RE: [NetEpic ML] Titan CC
>>
>>
>> And here it is post; 7489 :)
>>
>> [snip]
>> Hi!
>>
>> I concurr that the bolt of change would deny the necron unit self
>> repair. Of course now we need to be specific on what it can
>> save against
>> and what it cannot.
>>
>> I'd say the following: "Necron self repair works against any
>> attack that
>> is NOT psychic in nature or close combat".
>>
>> How's that?
>>
>> Peter
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Karlsen Rune [mailto:rune.karlsen_at_...]
>> Sent: 5. mars 2001 08:31
>> To: 'netepic_at_yahoogroups.com'
>> Subject: RE: [NetEpic ML] Titan CC
>>
>>
>> Hi!
>>
>> Thanks for clarifying this. Nils and Trygve (who played
>> the united chaos forces) were 100% sure that i didnt
>> get a save. There was some talk about an article
>> posted here or something. I dont remember, i was
>> really tired after having played for 14 hours...
>> Nils being a more experienced player than
>> me, i caved in. Of course, im sure Nils didnt intend
>> to cheat me, but im rather pissed at him none the less...
>>
>> Rune
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Peter Ramos [mailto:primarch_at_...]
>>> Sent: 4. mars 2001 18:19
>>> To: netepic_at_yahoogroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: [NetEpic ML] Titan CC
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi!
>>>
>>> First of all, the necron titan has no shields so I assume you are
>>> referring to it self-repair ability. The self-repair cannot
>>> be bypassed
>>> by any poer/rule I am aware of. So after you get hit and
>>> determine hit
>>> location, it would get its self repair. The bottom line is
>>> this IS its
>>> defense against some weapons since they negate his armor
>>> save. So on a
>>> 3+ you ignore the beam of power. Most armies have at least
>>> one weapons
>>> like this. During my game with Darius his squat cyclops
>>
>> weapon acted
>>
>>> like a "beam of power", my only defense was its self repair
>>> and that was
>>> at 4+, but still made it. A 3+ fixed repair roll goes a long
>>> way against
>>> this.
>>>
>>> My curiousity is why it was rules that you were not entitled
>>> to a repair
>>> save? Whats the rational? Nothing it epic negates
>>> repair/regeneration,
>>> besides close combat.
>>>
>>> Peter
>>>
>>> Karlsen Rune wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi!
>>>>
>>>> A question about this. The Chaos Primarch Magnus the Red
>>>
>>> has a physical
>>>
>>>> psychic
>>>> attack, 2+ -6 100cms range, +3 damage on
>>>
>>> titans/praetorians. Now, this
>>>
>>>> wouldnt
>>>> be so bad if one had shields, but according to our chaos
>>>
>>> opponents, the
>>>
>>>> repair
>>>> shield function of the Necron Titan doesnt work against
>>>
>>> this. The result is,
>>>
>>>> on a hit
>>>> on any location (which isnt hard, just roll a 2+ and point
>>>
>>> at the middle),
>>>
>>>> the titan
>>>> gets a save at 7+ (at best). The roll of the damage die has
>>>
>>> to be 3 to
>>>
>>>> destroy the
>>>> titan. My question is, do you think this is fair? A below
>>>
>>> average roll will
>>>
>>>> always
>>>> destroy the Necron titan. According to our esteemed chaos
>>>
>>> players, i didnt
>>>
>>>> get the 3+ psy save, because it was a physcial psychic
>>>
>>> attack, and i didnt
>>>
>>>> get the 3+ shield repair (this had apparently been resolved
>>>
>>> some months ago
>>>
>>>> in some discussion or other with Darius, i dont know which
>>>
>>> one). I thought
>>>
>>>> Physical psychic attacks was some kind of force attacking
>>>
>>> your person,
>>>
>>>> like a weapon, on psychic in origin. Now, if thats so, how
>>>
>>> come i didnt get
>>>
>>>> my 3+ shield save?
>>>> Now, the titan costs 750 points, and Magnus costs 300. Do
>>>
>> the math.
>>
>>>>
>>>> Rune
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Peter Ramos [mailto:primarch_at_...]
>>>> Sent: 2. mars 2001 14:19
>>>> To: netepic_at_yahoogroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [NetEpic ML] Titan CC
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi!
>>>>
>>>> You are correct I did mention that. Please edit the titan's
>>>
>>> template to
>>>
>>>> reflect that. The psy save is 3+, like all other slann titans.
>>>>
>>>> Peter
>>>>
>>>> Trygve Bj�rnstad wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I thought Peter mentioned a save of 3+, but maybee this was
>>>
>>> against normal
>>>
>>>> attacks?
>>>>
>>>> Trygve
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Karlsen Rune [ mailto:rune.karlsen_at_...
>>>> <mailto:rune.karlsen_at_...> ]
>>>> Sent: 2. mars 2001 09:20
>>>> To: ' netepic_at_yahoogroups.com <mailto:netepic_at_yahoogroups.com> '
>>>> Subject: RE: [NetEpic ML] Titan CC
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It probably should..
>>>>
>>>> Rune
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nils.saugen_at_... <mailto:nils.saugen_at_...> [
>>>> mailto:nils.saugen_at_... <mailto:nils.saugen_at_...> ]
>>>> Sent: 2. mars 2001 09:01
>>>> To: netepic_at_yahoogroups.com <mailto:netepic_at_yahoogroups.com>
>>>> Subject: RE: [NetEpic ML] Titan CC
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hmmm, my guess is that it ought to have a psychic savingthrow
>>>> of 4+ versus
>>>> non physical psychic attacks.!
>>>>
>>>> ..!
>>>>
>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Karlsen Rune [ mailto:rune.karlsen_at_...
>>>> <mailto:rune.karlsen_at_...> ]
>>>> Sent: 2. mars 2001 08:53
>>>> To: ' netepic_at_yahoogroups.com <mailto:netepic_at_yahoogroups.com> '
>>>> Subject: RE: [NetEpic ML] Titan CC
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Nope, not that im aware of. It doesnt say, and it
>>>> has no shields, so it in effect has no defence against
>>>> this...
>>>>
>>>> Rune
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nils.saugen_at_... <mailto:nils.saugen_at_...> [
>>>> mailto:nils.saugen_at_... <mailto:nils.saugen_at_...> ]
>>>> Sent: 2. mars 2001 08:46
>>>> To: netepic_at_yahoogroups.com <mailto:netepic_at_yahoogroups.com>
>>>> Subject: RE: [NetEpic ML] Titan CC
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The Necron Titan has a saving throw versu!
>>>>
>>>> s!
>>>>
>>>> non physical
>>>>
>>>> psychic saves
>>>>
>>>> doesn't it?
>>>>
>>>> Nils
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Karlsen Rune [ mailto:rune.karlsen_at_...
>>>> <mailto:rune.karlsen_at_...> ]
>>>> Sent: 2. mars 2001 08:36
>>>> To: ' netepic_at_yahoogroups.com <mailto:netepic_at_yahoogroups.com> '
>>>> Subject: [NetEpic ML] Titan CC
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi!
>>>>
>>>> Can someone please summarise the rules for how infantry etc.
>>>> attack Titans? It'd be great with a clarification :)
>>>>
>>>> Also, is it possible for chaos to take over robots/necrons with
>>>> their power? Dont remember what its called, but it allows
>>>> it to take over "any unit" within 25cms. When you can put
>>>> the buggers in rhino's and charge 50cms with them in
>>>> the first round, 25cms is alot, and affecting any unit then
>>>> is just downright cheesy. It would mean f.ex, that
>>>> the Necron !
>>>>
>>>> Ti!
>>>>
>>>> tan (which has no shields) could be
>>>> taken over without a save. Now, thats just plain
>>>> old Jarlsberg im smelling! :)
>>>> Also, the chaos rot power says it affects all units.
>>>> Were these cards made before Praetorians/Titans came
>>>> into the picture? Once again, you charge your legion
>>>> 50cms, and everything within 15cms of it has to
>>>> save or die when the power is used. Everything!
>>>> Now, in a large battle, say 10k, this will be devastating.
>>>> Im sure the rot is really the reek of really old, moldy cheese ;)
>>>> Id like some clarifications on the chaos powers, and
>>>> what they can and cant do please :)
>>>>
>>>> Rune
>>>>
>>>>
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