Hi!
I have no problem with this, just keep in mind they would be immune
to a lot of non-physical psychic powers, and thats not counting their
psy-save.
If this is what you want, it is easy enough to change the
corresponding books, thing is how would it effect game balance.
Of course it is easy to say if it doesn't have a morale stat then it
is immune to whatever game effect uses morale, but again some of
those units dont have psy-saves, so it is as you were giving them one.
Discuss this amongst yourself a bit, then lets vote. I wish to change
the rule only once if I have too!
Peter
--- In netepic_at_y..., "Eivind Borgeteien" <eivind.borgeteien_at_c...>
wrote:
> Hi!
> I think that units with no moralvalue should be imune to all tests
involving
> the moralvalue as this clearly was the intention from the makers of
the
> game. If this wasnt the case, there is no point for space mariens
to field
> the Deatwing nor the inquisitor whose sole purpose is to negate the
effects
> of chaos.
>
> Chaos should have few difficulties defeating a space marines army
with the
> current rules. From the discussions on this list, we can see that
people
> have great difficulties defeating chaos, so I dont think that to
weaken the
> few units who has a special advantage facing chaos is the way to go!
>
> Eivind
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <primarch_at_b...>
> To: <netepic_at_y...>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2001 4:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [NetEpic ML] Kroxigors
>
>
> > Hi!
> >
> > Hehe, thats easy, there is no precedent in the old rules. All this
> > was made up to deal with the confusion that was engendered by the
old
> > wording. I think it does make it easier with a minimal of trouble.
> > You dont have two stats, its one and the same, you just use it
> > differently.
> >
> > Just remeber how confusing it was before. The bottomline is, you
> > truely make two stats to deal with the problem or you do what we
did
> > to deal with it, otherwise, you'll have to re-write the whole
psychic
> > rules for the game.
> >
> > It is quite common as a game mechanic to use one stat for two
> > different purposes, thats what we have done, its simple and we
avoid
> > confusion. No if what really bothers you is that units with no
morale
> > value get a "1" save for morale saves, then why not just give
> > everyone a morale value? I'd personally leave as is, it clearer
now
> > and people can understand it.
> >
> > Unfortunate;y there is no real way to make it clearer, barring,
> > revising the rules, or even re-writing them.
> >
> > Peter
> >
> > --- In netepic_at_y..., nils.saugen_at_s... wrote:
> > > Hmmm,
> > >
> > > You know Peter I'm sorry, but this really dosn't make any sence
to
> > me.
> > > However, that is besides the point.
> > >
> > > I must say, that I can't recall ever seeing anything about this
in
> > any of
> > > the earlier versions of the rules. As I and the rest of our
group
> > has read
> > > the rules we have always interpedet that a moralscore of "-"
would
> > apply to
> > > all types of moral based tests. Thus no unit would have 2
differen
> > > moralscores, which is something I really, really don't like.
> > >
> > > I would appreciate if you could just point out to me where this
was
> > stated
> > > in the earlier versions of the rules.
> > >
> > > Nils
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: primarch_at_b... [mailto:primarch_at_b...]
> > > Sent: 13. mars 2001 15:21
> > > To: netepic_at_y...
> > > Subject: Re: [NetEpic ML] Kroxigors
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi!
> > >
> > > That is correct, for purposes of morale "saves" they have a
value
> > of
> > > "1".
> > >
> > > Peter
> > >
> > > --- In netepic_at_y..., nils.saugen_at_s... wrote:
> > > > Ok so Necrons then have a more value of 1 against Chaos powers
> > then?
> > > >
> > > > Nils
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: primarch_at_b... [mailto:primarch_at_b...]
> > > > Sent: 13. mars 2001 15:13
> > > > To: netepic_at_y...
> > > > Subject: Re: [NetEpic ML] Kroxigors
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi!
> > > >
> > > > My first meesage seems not to have gotten through.
> > > >
> > > > There are units that have morale of 1 and those with no
morale.
> > > Those
> > > > with no morale NEVER make a morale check (remember morale
check
> > and
> > > > save are now different). A unit with a morale of "1" DOES roll
> > for
> > > > morale, but given its good morale almost always passes (there
are
> > > > situations were there are penalties to morale checks).
> > > >
> > > > As for morale "save", everyone rolls those. Units with no
morale
> > > stat
> > > > for purposes of morale saves only, consider them to have a
morale
> > > of
> > > > one, since they may still fail versus chaos powers on a 1.
> > > >
> > > > The confessor, makes units its with immune to morale checks,
not
> > > > morale saves. The confessor itself doesn't roll for morale
checks
> > > > (nor the unit), but htey still would roll versus morale saves.
> > > >
> > > > These things were added to the revised core rules in the core
> > book.
> > > >
> > > > Peter
> > > >
> > > > --- In netepic_at_y..., nils.saugen_at_s... wrote:
> > > > > Oh MAMA
> > > > >
> > > > > PAPA has got a brand new bag of GOODIES!!!!!!!
> > > > >
> > > > > Once we are back at the chaos morale/power topic. I read
> > through
> > > the
> > > > > confessor rules again. To me it seems that a detachment
joined
> > by
> > > a
> > > > > confessor loose its moralscore. So for all practical reasons
> > that
> > > > infantry
> > > > > unit has a morale of "-". Meaning it indeed is immune to all
> > > types
> > > > of moral
> > > > > tests, terrortests or whatyoumaycall'em.... I also suspects
> > this
> > > > applies to
> > > > > the Inquisitors.... Wording in the Space Marines Armies of
the
> > > > Imperium is:
> > > > > "any imperial unit within 25cm of the Inquisitor will
> > > automatically
> > > > pass any
> > > > > moraltest" remember this is from the days before one
differed
> > > > between moral
> > > > > checks for breaking and terrorstest. Any moral test beeing
the
> > > key
> > > > frase, as
> > > > > this would indicate the same effect as for the Confessor.
> > > > >
> > > > > Further neither the Connfessor nor the Inquisitor has got a
> > moral
> > > > score!!!!
> > > > >
> > > > > Nils
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Hellreich [mailto:helreich_at_d...]
> > > > > Sent: 13. mars 2001 17:06
> > > > > To: netepic_at_y...
> > > > > Subject: Re: [NetEpic ML] Kroxigors
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > it means that they negate the powers of the Chaos units.
Like
> > > > Pleague
> > > > > Marines have nurgle rot, this is then negated. It only works
> > for
> > > > the auras
> > > > > or specific chaos cards. Auras are things that make you test
> > for
> > > > morale when
> > > > > within a set cm range, since the Kroxigors are just to dumb,
> > and
> > > > protected
> > > > > by the warp field from the warp claws they never need to
test
> > for
> > > > any of the
> > > > > auras.
> > > > > Examples are:
> > > > > the Primarchs powers are useless against them
> > > > > Plague bearers powers are useless
> > > > > Chaos specific Marine cards are useless
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Karlsen Rune" <rune.karlsen_at_e...>
> > > > > To: <netepic_at_y...>
> > > > > Sent: Monday, March 12, 2001 10:53 AM
> > > > > Subject: [NetEpic ML] Kroxigors
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Just a little question : When it says that kroxigors
ignore
> > any
> > > > > > demonic auras, exactly what does that mean? They have
> > > > > > no weapons, so they can't FF on a charging demon anyways.
> > > > > > Does it only mean they are immune to the morale/terror
> > > > > > checks?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Rune
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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