Re: [Epic] Bad Choas Force (was: What scares me about Epic 40K)

From: Kevin Walker <sage_at_...>
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 01:17:03 -0600

At 10:49 PM 1/9/97 -0500, Keith wrote:

This analysis should be fun, I hope I'm not repeating what someone else has
already posted:

> I know what you mean. When I first started playing Epic everyone
> said that I caught on quick and soon could hold my own with the best
> of them. Then the group decided that I should play against the
> undefeated player. No one had ever beaten him in Epic. I said sure.
> He played Chaos which I never played against. I welcomed the change.
> (I played IG) His standard list contains the following:

You were robbed, the following force is balantly illegal, even if we give
the opponent the benefit of the doubt. Now where to begin ...

> 3 Warlord Titans each with Fire Control Towers, Plasma Destructors,
> 2 Barrage Missiles, and a Deathstrike Cannon head. Oh, and 2
> Carapace multi-lasers. (Note, this group was doing Battle Groups
> at 3 Warlords for 1800pts. at that time)

According to a later description there were a total of 12 PDs, so we have 5
slots used on each titan when only four are available. Three of these, the
FCT and 2xBM need the carapace slot, problem is their are only two
available. This player could only use one of the PBs at a time on each
Titan, as only one PB may be fired - thus excluding other weapons from being
fired. So in essence, it would be useless to have 2xPB per titan, but this
still doesn't correct the problem of the over use of carapace slots. So
much for the massive destruction, this group possess, but only being able to
use one BM in connection with the FCT or two BMs without the FCT adding in
is a little easier to digest (not by that much), let us not forget that
we've also cut the number of PBs in half as well (possibly without the FCT).

> 2 Lord of Battles each with 2 Deathstorm Launchers

Nasty but not illegal.

> 1 Bloodthirster
> 15 Detachments of Bloodletters

Seventy-five bloodletter figures (one to a base) isn't cheap on the wallet
(but may-be they allow subs - but here is a good reason not to allow subing)

> 1 Co. Chaos Marines

Opps... Here we go again, I don't see a Primarch listed. Without one, its
illegal to take this (unless the group allows the special Choas Chapter
listed in one of the Journals).

> 3 Thunderhawk Gunships
> Total 6000pts.

Yup, it all adds up to 6000 points. One other problem here, between the
Bloodthirster and the 2 Lords of Battle, a player can only support up to 15
detatchments, I see eighteen. When using TL, a titan battle group may
support up to 5 detachments (I believe), but Choas is strictly constrained
with 3-5 per Greater Demon. Its possible the playing group allow the BG to
control the extra 3 detachments, but thats a pretty big gift, especially
after allowing Choas to purchase BG in the first place (not that I disagree
with Choas being able to purchase BG).

Hope I haven't bored to many of you out there, but this type of stuff bugs
me. I did use the Renegades and TL rulebooks for reference, but I'm not
infallible, thus possibly there are some mistakes. If so please point them
out and let me know.

Kevin Walker
sage_at_...
Received on Fri Jan 10 1997 - 07:17:03 UTC