Re: [Epic] Epic Battlescene

From: Thane Morgan <thane_at_...>
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 11:35:47 -0700

Kelley, Kevin J., JCS wrote:
>
> The titan formula costs titans, not weapons per se but only the space
> (hardpoint to use A/C terminology) to mount them. It is clear that the
> specific type of SHW or CC weapon on the titan has very little to do
> with the titans point value as specified by the game designers - the
> vortex missle is equal to the deth ray since the titan with the same
> points cost can have either. In the example below it costs 16 pts to
> give up the SHW/CC mounting point, it still has its vortex and MRL if
> it wants(I t have my book so I assume you quoted two of the three wepons
> it can have). I tried to take the different weapons/races into account
> - analytic result is garbage, in that you essentilly have a formula for
> each titan that is usleess for estimating costs of new titans.
> >----------
> >From: Dirk Vormann[SMTP:DVormann_at_...-duisburg.de]
> >Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 1997 10:53 AM
> >To: space-marine_at_...
> >Subject: Re: [Epic] Epic Battlescene
> >
> >> Excerpts from Epic: 9-Dec-97 Re: [Epic] Epic Battlescene by Dirk
> >> Vormann_at_...
> >> > > Little question : A Reaver titan with a banner pole can be seen on the
> >> > > scene; therefore it only has two weapons. What is its (reduced) points
> >> > > cost
> >> > Hhhmmmm.
> >> > Should not happen any more.
> >>
> >> This is true enough, though Reavers with banner poles as the only thing
> >> in the carapace mount make for good character pieces. ^_^ Basically, in
> >> Adeptus Titanicus you were (slightly) encouraged the not take a full
> >> loadout to represent how both sides were having trouble with resupply &
> >> repair for the weapons.
> >>
> >> >Just like Titans with 2 CC weapons.
> >>
> >> I'm really not sure why Jervis made that comment... there's nothing at
> >> all in the rules to suggest that you can only take one weapon, and IIRC
> >> his blurb is considered unofficial. You just don't get any benefit from
> >> the second weapon in close combat... unless you lose the first. (To,
> >> say, ripper tentacles, even even the more mundane
> >> it-blew-off-and-killed-those-guys-over-there.)
> >>
> >> >The Titan
> >> > formula we have so far estimates one Weapon system at about 15 to 16
> >> > points.
> >>
> >> o_O That's it? When Deathstrikes and Seige artillery (roughly
> >> equivalent to Vortex missile & Multiple Rocket Launcher... but Seige
> >> arty are *worse*) cost just over 50 points each?
> >>
> >> I think you need to revamp the points a bit, there... and odds are the
> >> different weapons systems should really be valued at different points
> >> costs, especially between races. It's just that GW combined 'em all
> >> into one... bleah.
> >It was not me who came up with th Titan formula!
> >DV
> >
> >
> >I figure the Vortex missile costs the same as the other weapons because
you get to use it once. In the cousre of a game you'll probably get to
use a death ray 3-4 times, so it sort of balances out. After you use the
vortex, your titan runs around under-armed.

Thane
Received on Sat Dec 13 1997 - 18:35:47 UTC