> From: Philip Charlton <philipc_at_...>
>
> > >Rhinos should only carry Chaos SM's.
> >
> > Well, that's actually how the rules are as they stand dude...
>
> I disagree with you here, but it's probably a matter of opinion. The
> restriction of who can ride in what vehicle is that allies cannot ride in
> each others vehicles, and that only CSM's can ride in vehicles taken from
> the loyal Space Marine support cards (THawks, for example).
> Rhino's are in the normal Chaos army,
*Chaos Space Marine* Rhinos are in the normal Chaos army.
> so any normal-sized Chaos stand should be able to use them.
By this reasoning you could stick your daemons in Land
Raiders, since they're also in 'the normal Chaos army.'
This is from the WD Q&A in #173:
Q: Can Chaos Space Marines use vehicles and weapon support cards that
are available for normal Space Marines?
A: Yes, before the Chaos Space Marines turned traitor they had access
to all the same equipment as their loyal brothers. It is fair therefore
to assume that a lot of it would still be in use and although some cards
are provided in the Renegades box set there obviously wasn't enough room
to include everything.
[ ie Rhinos, Land Raiders, Landspeeders, THawks, etc are all Chaos
Space Marine equipment, whether it came with a card in Renegades
or not. ]
...It is important to remember that
all this wargear can only be used by the Chaos Space Marines and not any
other race within the Chaos Army. You cannot for example you the
Thunderhawk Gunships to transport Lesser Daemons or mortal followers like
Chaos Squats or Minotaurs.
[ ie you can't stick your Minotaurs in Land Raiders. ]
The full Chaos section of the Q&A is available on my website,
http://www.rpi.edu/~shupes/EPIC.
> I even have a
> tactics article from WD which talks about transporting minotaurs and trolls
> in rhinos - so apparently it *is* legal.
Yeah, and I have a tactics article from WD which talks about
using Genestealers to get multiple attacker bonuses against the
Imperator. Admittedly it was written by Gavin, but that just goes
to show you that these things can slip past the editor.
Also, before WD 173, there was no rule keeping you from sticking
Trolls in Rhinos - it was perfectly legal.
> I'd still prefer to allow them
> for CSM's only. But I have to wonder - just *how* do I get those minotaurs
> across to the other side of the table?? The only other transport I can use
> is Khorne engine, which is nice and expensive and I need at least 3 to
> transport a whole warband.
There's also the Plague Tower, which can transport the
whole warband by itself. Unfortunately it's just as slow as the
Death Dealers (but more resilient).
> > An army consisting of GD's and Titans WOULD be different wouldn't it?
>
> But hardly realistic - Titan armies are the speciality of the Titan Legions.
> The traitor Titan Legions have been scattered throughout the cosmos and will
> probably never again band together in large numbers.
Depends on how you interpret the fluff. It could go either way.
(realistic? it's an army led by daemons! =)
> I'm not offended. My purpose is partly to bring Epic Chaos more in line
> with 40k Chaos, since I play both.
Why? 40k Chaos is boring beyond belief compared to Epic Chaos.
If all you want to see is Chaos marines with a few daemons tagging
along, then fine, you're perfectly capable of making such an army.
> Also, it's very annoying and messy that
> there are two ways of representing large, tough, scary creatures - Tyranids
> and GD's. For the sake of simplicity, I'd like GD's to use a similar
> system to Tyranids eg. fixed saves, multiples wounds or whatever.
There's two ways because they're two different creatures (in
EPIC at least). Tyranids are just tough, while GDs are fairly tough and
they are strengthened by the power of the Warp.
Scott
shupes_at_...
Received on Wed Feb 12 1997 - 15:54:25 UTC