Re: [Epic] [E40k] A question...

From: David Lado <lado_at_...>
Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 11:24:32 -0400 (EDT)

> Ummm, it's not a matter of not liking a rule, it's a problem. We try to
>stay away from applying "reality" to GW games, but we do have LOS, and
>if I have some troops touching the back side of a building( no direct
>LOS), a falcon doing pop-up attack would have to be in fragging ORBIT
>to see them - but under the pop-up rules, they can see anything on the
>board - there's no way to stay hidden from them, the only limiting
>factor is range.

(other arguements snipped)

> To summarize my beef: pop ups allow me to stay hidden until I choose
>to come out (after most of your firing is over) and I can fire at you
>regardless of what's in the way.

I agree with your beef 100%. I play only orks, so I have only ever been on
the receiving end of pop-ups, so I know exactly how it feels to be shot at
without having a chance to shoot back (in game terms, not real life ;).

The only point I was trying to make is that there is not a problem with
the *mechanics* of the rule. i.e. The rule is written clearly, works
smoothly, and does not create new rules holes; it is simply an exception
to the normal LOS rules.

Despite your assertion, the "problem" is due entirely to the fact that
you (in this case, there are many who agree with you) simply do not like
the rule. The reasons vary; some people think it's unrealistic, others
think its "too far over the top", others think it's unfair. These are
very legitimit complaints (except that I don't think it's unbalancing
since I feel skimmers pay for this ability). I'm just saying that
these are questions of personal taste, not rules mechanics.

A rules problem is, for example, when people are trying to figure out
when to apply BMs (before or after halving FP for assault orders) or
how much a farseer costs. They occur because the rules are vague
and/or incomplete. The fact that pop-ups effectively ignore LOS is
very clearly written in the rules. IMO, the problems people have
with pop-ups are more akin to the debate on whether bug titans are
worth the points. There are interesting arguments on both sides, but
no right and wrong answers; it all comes down to a matter of personal
taste and playing style. That's the only point I wanted to make.

Personally, I thik that if I'm willing to accept that an eldar
dreadnought is manned by the spirit of a dead space elf housed in a
big crystal, it seems perfectly reasonable that the eldar could
design lasers that shoot around corners. After all, it is the grim,
dark, non-euclidian future.

David
Received on Fri May 02 1997 - 15:24:32 UTC