Re: [Epic] roolzboyz: close combat weapons and holofields

From: Ken Taborek <oberon_at_...>
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 14:21:23 -0400 (EDT)

On Mon, 28 Jul 1997, David Lado wrote:

>
> >> Yeah, but think about it. When a war engine without a CC weapon
> >> engages another WE in CC, it is effectively blasting away with its
> >> weapons at (very) short range, so it would seem fair to allow
> >> holofield saves against hits caused in CC by WE's without a CC weapon.
> >> However, a WE _with_ a CC weapon slashes and hacks the air with it
> >> (eg. an Imperial Titan makes a huge sweeping horizontal arc with its
> >> chainfist at about waist height.
> >> Christian.
>
> >OK, let's not get down to the nitty-gritty of exactly how far the
> >holofield projects its image. You could just as easily argue that

> This is a very trapful line of reasoning. You can effectively argue
> almost anything and be just as correct as anyone else arguing the
> exact opposite. I like fluff, and I like rules that are consistent
> with the fluff. But in this case, the fluff can be, and has been,
> used to argue both sides of the issue.

Exactly my point. That I could use "fluff" words to "prove" that my line
of reasoning was correct. I was not seriously arguing as if I was in a
debate, I was showing how one could draw the exact opposite conclusion
from the same bit of text "fluff". I thought I was pretty clear about
that, with my tongue-in-cheek use of the exact same quotes to arrive at
the opposing position.

>
> >The holofield saves against everything.
>
> Not precisely true. Holofield impart a "a 2+ saving throw against
> any and all HITS they take, rather like a unit with a save." (page
> 65 of the Battles book, my emphasis). The point that is being
> debated is that the auto-destroy is not a hit. As a matter of fact,
> a titan does not need to score a hit at all to destroy with a CC
> weapon; it only needs to win the CC. Inversely, a loosing titan
> which does score a hit does not get to destroy its' opponent. The
> question is much more akin to a unit with a save that fails to
> retreat more than 15cm from an enemy after losing a CC/FF.
>
> I can see it both ways, but under a literal interpretation of the
> rules (which is all we have to go on right now), I don't feel the
> holofields would protect a titan from a CC weapon (from the hits
> inflicted in CC, yes).
>
> David
>
>
>
I've got to disagree. A save has been broadened to include kill effects
which are not described as "hits", such as a unit which loses close combat
and cannot retreat. The definition of save would seem to be "a roll to
avoid removing the model from the board".

--Ken Taborek oberon_at_...
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