Re: [Epic] -Chaos- Tactic Critique

From: Scott Shupe <shupes_at_...>
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 15:53:49 -0400

Miller, Chris wrote:
>
> > I guess it depends what you're facing. As I've
> >said before, when I started playing I was primarily facing
> >off against eldar. I've never seen the Banelord survive
> >long enough to get *anywhere*.
>
> ----> that's because he senses the distinct lack of Khorne units in
> your army, and lacks motivation at that point... : )

        Hey, back when I actually USED the Banelord I had
bunches of Khorne crap-ola in my armies - daemon engines,
bloodthirsters, lesser daemons, cannons, juggers, the LoB,
and Baney himself.

        Of course, he could have sensed my opinion of him
and the majority of his Khornate friends...

> >> -----> Chaos lacks barrage weapons.
> >
> > Right. Which is why the Banelord isn't any help,
> >since it can't fire indirect. Might as well use cannons
> >of khorne - longer ranged and also can't fire indirect.
> >Sure they scatter a lot, but they're cheaper and don't
> >give up ridiculous VPs.
>
> -----> Never firing indirect means they don't scatter.

        Also means you can't hit things you can't see.
Not good against pop-ups or opposing arty.

> 6 barrage
> missiles with the flexibility of all-at-once or staggered is a handy
> ability.

        But not worth the price. *shrug* I guess my
early experiences have just tainted my opinion forever.

> How many turns do your games typically last?

        3, sometimes 2 or 4 but that was pretty rare.

> >> ----> Not everyone takes a titan battlegroup.
> >> Smaller fights,
> >
> > Warhounds and reaver battlegroups. Or no titans
> >at all. I've never seen single titans fielded since TL
> >was released, and I've been fighting battles from 1500 to
> >8000 points.
>
> ----> As far as I know, Chaos buys warhounds the same way everyone else
> does - in pairs.

        I'm not disputing that, just my experience with
titans & titan battlegroups in smaller fights.

> ----> At least we both like the LOB and the LOC : )
> (I don't much like anything else Tzeentch has,

        Horrors, Magnus, 1000 Sons, and the best color scheme
of the 4 big chaos powers.

> That said, let me open this up:
> Is a LOB as good as a reaver? Same points (for 1). Reaver
> has more weapons & options and a better CAF. LOB gets 3
> cards which can save if his armor is penetrated. Reaver gets
> 4 shields which save before armor is hit, and can be regenerated
> >on a 5-6 at the end of every turn. Movement is the same.
> If a LOB dies, his followers are vulnerable to morale checks.
> If the Reaver dies it just blows up.
>
> So how is the LOB better?

        I don't recall ever saying the the LoB *was* better...

        The 3 card thing is kinda misleading, since you have
a pool of cards available to be used - you could end up using
more or less than 3 on any particular GD, depending on how
much fire they're facing.

        You forgot that the LoB has a psychic save and can't
get FF orders. Plus there's the Khorne winning bonus, which
(if you get it) can turn the LoB into a real killing machine
for a turn or two.

        I'd have to say the Reaver is better (better weapons,
very flexible in its battlefield role), but the LoB is more
fun.

> -----> They're redoing the GD minis for 40K & Fantasy (40$ for
> a GUO ?!) so I imagine we'll get the new ones in E40K when the
> time comes.

        And chances are, they're going to be the same size
as the new hive tyrant - about the height of a dreadnought.
Reduced stature to go with their reduced power.

> As someone else mentioned, maybe we'll get some
> legion-specific and primarch specific rules, but from the 40K
> chaos book, we already have the marines - berserkers, noise marines,
> and thousand sons. The only thing missing are plague marines,
> and all they got for 40K was a +1 toughness and a nasty knife.
> "Assault" anyone?

        I figure Plague Marines are not sufficiently
different than normal chaos marines to warrant a different
entry in the army list. 'Assault' really wouldn't work
for them, since they only come with 1 assault weapon (the
knife and no bolt pistol, whereas normal marines come with
a bolt pistol) and they have no option to get more.

Scott
shupes_at_...
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