RE: [NetEpic ML] New to List

From: Tom Webb <Webbsoft_at_...>
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 22:32:22 +0100

Email received and hint taken :).

Maybe we should meet up on ICQ and get these PDFs uploaded? As for the
search engines, I would rather get all the meta tags in place first if we
are going to submit them to search engines.

Tom.
  -----Original Message-----
  From: Peter Ramos [mailto:primarch_at_...]
  Sent: 11 October 2001 14:13
  To: netepic_at_yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [NetEpic ML] New to List


  Hi!

  Welcome Peter!

  I'm very glad that our efforts are to your liking. What you have before
you is the labor of nearly 5 years of discussions and play testing. We try
our best to support the game we favor with as much as this group can
produce.

  As many in the list, I too, liked the first edition of the game and
actually played it quite extensively. As you point out many aspects bog down
play a little too much. Second edition, in our opinion, had a good balance
of detail and abstraction. Of course there were many things the game lacked
or was poorly integrated. Net epic has over time dealt very effectively with
those problems and has greatly expanded those rules. The practical
experience of members of this list has been crucial to make Net Epic what it
is. You have but scratched the surface on all the changes, some are
monumental (titan construction system ala AT) or small (vehicles can self
defense fire against infantry that charge it) and many others in between.

  Currently, all material can be gotten at www.netepic.org or the download
section of the yahoo group. You have seen the new net epic army cards as
well as buildings and a host of other things. In time even more will be made
available.

  You make good points regarding site accessibility and search. Our resident
web master Tom will no doubt hear you suggestions and best implement them
(hear that Tom, wink, wink). We tend not to advertise ourselves much since
we like people to join us through their own motive and desire. It makes for
a better group!

  Net epic 4.1 is available at the Epicentre (www.netepic.org) in doc format
I have those files in PDF format which I could make available to you (and
any other member that wishes them). My epic collection of material is vast
so I can scan and get things to people given time.

  Scenarios would be a great idea. If you have some please post them. I
think it is something lacking currently in net epic. Also any ideas should
also be sent to Tom for our e-zine Incoming!


  Welcome aboard!!

  Peter

  Peter Cornwell wrote:



    Hi, I've been on this list for about a month and I'm just so impressed
    with Netepic I can't resist having a short rave.

    I'm an old player who never had time to play as much as I wanted even
    before I had to stop playing for many years.
    I was very passionate about AT and 1st ed when they first came out, even
    though I never got to play it all that much. When 2nd ed came out I
    became a bit dissolusioned though (I couldn't handle Space Marines not
    getting a save for example).

    More recently I got back into playing 1st ed. (Infact I drafted but
    never sent a post about the virtues of 1st ed on the other Epic list
    where it gets a good trashing). But, as I played 1st ed alot more, many
    of the rules that I liked on paper started to become irritating in
    practice. For example, I liked the firing arcs of 1st ed vehicles. They
    were truer to 40k and helped give each vehicle a distinct individual
    character. But in practice it didn't always work out as I'd imagined.
    For example, because the land Raider and Predator las cannons fire
    either left or right arc, you had to aim the vehicle exactly at the
    target to fire both sides.I'm not a rules lawyer and I didn't feel that
    exact placing of vehicles should really be the focus of the game. So
    there were times, particularly in bigger battles, when both sides wanted
    to fudge this rule. Finally I understood 2nd eds forward arc for all
    vehicles rule.(though I like the Netepic rule for vehicle bolter arcs)
    Also, though short and long range did add tactical nuance, it certainly
    took time to look up those extra stats. There was the same problem with
    the separate stats for shooting vehicles and infantry, though I did like
    this in principal. A las cannon could destroy a Leman Russ with one
    shot, but if it is not an area weapon surely it would take five shots
    to kill five imperial guardsmen? Three killed to remove the stand?
    Inpractice though all the extra saving rolls for infantry made the games
    frustratingly longer - because they just took longer to die.

    Anyway, I still like 1st edition (I still think a big part of its
    percieved complexity came from very badly laid out reference sheets),
    but Netepic has won me over. Any slight abstractions work well, and the
    game achieves something I could never do by tooling around with the
    rules myself, something only extensive play testing can achieve - game
    balance.

    An early turning point was when I dug out the spectacular battle report
    in my old WD 179 and I couldn't believe that I didn't get Titan Legions
    when it came out! So much more my style than 3rd editon - and I had
    completely missed the boat! By many years infact! I walked around for
    days unable to believe I had screwed up and the game had gone forever.
    Those glossy ads from the past looked beautiful showing the smorgasboard
    of bits from the box I could never get. They were mocking me!

    Then - happiness! I found you guys and it was too good to be true that I
    could not only download all the templates from TL - but those great
    looking buildings too! Plus it is better than TL. Netepic rules really
    have made improvements over 2nd ed that I love (like giving space
    marines a save. It gives them their space marine feel back).

    My only comment is that at first I found the Epicenter, and it's
    mirrors, very confusing. I found the site through Fanatic who still link
    to the old Tzeench site at
    www.geocities.com/BourbonStreet/1353/epicentre.htm even the mailgroup
    links to this old site. It would be great if this old site linked to
    other sites, becase for a long time I didn't even know they were there!
    The Google search engine only turns up this old site too.

    I've printed out all the Netepic 4.0 PDF's from the old site, but it
    now appears the newer sites may have Netepic 4.1? (my mac can't read
    DOCs yet). Also all the army cards were a very welcome discovery. Even
    the play aids site could use a pointer to the download section for all
    the Empirator/Mega-gargant stuff, because not being familiar with news
    groups I didn't realise these strangely missing files could be tucked
    away in yet another download section.

    One question. Does anyone play scenarios for Netepic? Or do you just lay
    down objective counters as per normal? I've found some scenarios for 2nd
    ed in an old WD and wondered if they/& or others have made their way
    into the system? I don't have 3rd ed, but it looks like its Battles Book
    is full of them and, infact the variety of scenarios is a big part of
    the game - is it not? I haven't found any mention of the subject yet
    in Netepic.

    Anyway it's so great to see this group keeping the game alive as it
    should be kept alive! And long live the Squats!

    Molerom



















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