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> From: EXT Tzeentch [mailto:tzeentch666_at_...]
> Sent: 09. December 1999 8:54
> To: netepic_at_egroups.com
> Subject: [NetEpic ML] Re: Who's got the BIGGEST balls?
>
>
> I have YET to see a vortex missile do anything more amazing
> then accidently
> destroy a single Tempest tank when it scattered. I use Warp
> missiles, much
> more effective in my mind.
>
Yep. And I have never managed to destroy or even seriously damage a gargant
with one. However, once I got lucky with a single devastator stand. I hit a
slasha gargant, the missile went through shields and hit hull. I rolled a 6.
Then he proceeded to roll a 6 on fire table at the end phase. In the next
end phase he rolled another 6 and then 4, which detonated magazine. then he
promptly rolled 6 again (+ 3 fires), then another 6 (weapon mount blew off,
+1 fire) so he had a total of 6 fires burning and had to roll on the fire
table with a +5 modifier. Guess what happened?
Jyrki Saari
> Ken
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Warprat <warprat_at_...>
> To: <netepic_at_egroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 1999 10:42 PM
> Subject: [NetEpic ML] Who's got the BIGGEST balls?
>
>
> > Hey, thanks to Thomas, Kelvin, Jyrki, Peter, Steve and Ken for thier
> > GREAT comments!
> >
> > First, sorry, I was wrong about the ball and Eldar holo fields. I
> > re-read the rules. The ball IS a template, templates IGNORE holo
> > fields.
> >
> > Second, although I like to pick the type of round loaded into my
> > Gargant, before the battle starts, that is just my preferance.
> > The rules have always said that the pick was made at the start of
> > the turn.
> >
> > Now for an interesting comparison:
> >
> > Gut Buster Vortex Missile
> >
> > Cost: 100 150
> > Firing Rate: 1/2 1 use only
> > Range: 100cm Unlimited
> > Chance to hit: 1/3 (scatter) 1/3 (scatter)
> > Dammage: 1 hit 1d6 hits (3 average)
> > Shield damage: Shields reduced to O Shields reduced to 0
> > Hit location: Leg Gut Buster, then
> > both Magazines
> >
> > Chance of
> > destroying enemy Falling Ave of 5
> fires (1+2+2)
> > Titan or Gargant: 1/6 = 17% 0 +1/3 +2/3 = 100%
> >
> >
> > Who's got the BIGGEST balls?
> >
> > Warprat
> >
> >
> >
> > Kelvin wrote:
> > >
> > > At 10:26 PM 12/7/99 -0800, you wrote:
> > > >Frankly, I don't understand what all the Hub-bub is about.
> > > >
> > > >The Gut Buster can only fire every other round, (of
> course the first
> > > >round is the most deadly). Gargants must choose at the
> start of the
> > > >turn which type of ammo is to be used. I choose the
> type of ammo to be
> > > >loaded, before the game is setup, when I pick my units,
> not after I
> have
> > > >learned what my opponent has taken, and where everything
> is positioned.
> > >
> > > No you don't. The rules state that the ammo for the
> Gutbuster must be
> > > chosen "at the start of the game but before the first
> turn". So you
> know
> > > what you are facing. Plus, you don't need to have a
> table of what you
> > > inten load for the whole game before you set up. You
> simply chose the
> ammo
> > > to load on the turn you relaod it. They really are an
> effective weapon.
> I
> > > love my Gargants.
> > >
> > > >The Ball round scatters, approx 1/3 chance of a hit.
> Then there is the
> > > >amount of roll, (which usually is no problem). The
> weapon is GREAT, if
> > > >it hits, but it's hardly reliable. And once it's fired,
> the enemy
> KNOWS
> > > >you won't be able to use it the turn it reloads. Also,
> because the
> ball
> > > >is not a barrage template, Eldar holo fields are
> effective against it.
> > >
> > > Perhaps its just me, but I tend to hit more times than
> not with my Ball
> > > Rounds (pardon the unintentional pun). I seem to rarely
> miss enough
> that
> > > the shot will not hit is intended target (usually a Praetorian or
> Titan).
> > > Its a ll a matter of positioning.
> > >
> > > >Gargants have flickering shields and the armor saves are
> not so great,
> > > >so every little shot fired at them has a real chance of
> doing real
> > > >damage, and staring a fire. Infantry weapons have a good chance
> against
> > > >Gargants.
> > >
> > > No they don't. I've waded Great Gargants through Imperial Guard
> Tactical
> > > companies and come outh the other side unscathed. I
> admit I have had
> times
> > > when a lucky infantry shot has taken out my Gargant, but
> that would be
> > > twice in about 50 games I have played. Mostly, Gargants take an
> ENORMOUS
> > > amount of firepower to stop. Which suits their character.
> > >
> > > >Of course Gargants are tough, and it takes three fires to ensure
> > > >destuction.
> > >
> > > Try 4. They can survive (and I have) for several turns
> with 3 fires
> > > running on a Great Gargant. Gargants are really tough.
> > >
> > > >Warlords, on the other hand, have shields that work
> against the vast
> > > >majority of weapons. The shields can regenerate.
> Warlords can carry
> > > >a wide varity of weapons. Among these are Warp Missles
> and Vortex
> > > >Missles. Both of these one shot gambles, can get lucky
> and do some
> > > >pretty horrific damage about 1/3 of the time (scatter).
> > >
> > > And they are quite fragile once the shields go down. If you have
> weapons
> > > that ignore the shields, then they are in a fair amount
> of trouble, and
> > > there are plenty of cost-effective weapons that ignore
> shields or trash
> > > them fairly readily (Deathstrike missiles, Vibro/Tremor
> Cannons, Deth
> Rays,
> > > Ball Rounds, Vortex and Warp Missiles, Cyclops Cannon,
> etc..). Plus its
> > > really easy to lose 4 or 6 shields in a turn. Doesn't
> take a lot of
> > > firepower to drop them.
> > >
> > > >Eldar titans are also super neat. Holo fields are
> awsome, as long as
> > > >the titan can keep moving, and avoid the barrage templates Thier
> > > >weapons are perhaps the most powerfull in the game.
> This is ballanced
> > > >by the smaller number of weapons they can carry. I
> absolutly LOVE to
> > > >play with Eldar Titans!
> > >
> > > Nah. Elf Titans is real squishy! I love playing soccer
> with them!
> They
> > > HATE Ball rounds and to really take them out, you only
> need to land lots
> of
> > > barrages on them. Sure, their weapons are pretty good,
> but the Titans
> > > themselves are actually pretty weak. I love squishing them.
> > >
> > > >I have never played with Chaos titans, but if they are as well
> ballanced
> > > >as the other titans, I'm sure they're not a bad pick.
> Weapons costs
> may
> > > >need to be adjusted, but overall, these Gigantic
> Machines of Destuction
> > > >seem to be extreamly well ballanced to me.
> > > >
> > > >What's the BIG deal?
> > >
> > > That Titans USED to be the awesome, all-powerful lords of the
> battlefield
> > > in Adeptus Titanicus Epic and were downgraded a great
> deal in Titan
> Legions
> > > Epic. We've tried to redress the balance somewhat in
> NetEpic, but many
> of
> > > us think they are still quite squishy as they stand.
> That's the big
> deal.
> > >
> > > -Kelvin....
> > >
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> > > "Of course I'm paranoid!
> > > Everyone's trying to kill me."
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