RE: [NetEpic ML] alternate figures and deja vu...Ian Mcdowall.

From: eivind borgeteien <eivind.borgeteien_at_...>
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 15:02:45 +0100

With the internet it is quite possible to get hold of some suitable minis,
but the price fastly gets quite stiff.

Firtst it is the actual cost, witch is quite OK for most parts, then it is
the prize of posting whitch ads at least 50%, then its the custom, and you
also have to pay a fee too the norwegian post-service so they can get it
through the custom. (That alone would be around 15-20$) A mini blisterpack
to 5$ can get quite expencive!

Eivind


-----Original Message-----
From: chubbybob [mailto:bob_at_...]
Sent: 6. desember 2000 12:46
To: netepic_at_egroups.com
Subject: [NetEpic ML] alternate figures and deja vu...Ian Mcdowall.


hi Ian
         I read your post below and as I did so I found it difficult not to
smile.. I guess that just changing your name on the bottom and putting my
own would describe my wargaming history perfecly.. I started historical
gaming in the late 60's and have followed the exact route you describe.. My
shelves are full of unplayed rule sets and my cupboards spilling over with
unpainted goodies that have never seen a wargames table.. I convert just
about every figure before painting and my armies are almost unique in their
appearance ..(Not collectors standard you understand but they satisfy
me..heheh) Even after all these years I can still feel the pulse racing and
the old grey matter churning when I get a glimpse of new figures. and what
figures. How I envy todays gamers when I look at the range and beauty of
figures available nowadays.. The diversity is stunning.. That diversity is
very important to me as I too am now a solo gamer.. If you can't have a
real life opponent then the table can at least look stunning, so yes under
these circumstances you do tend to become a collector and game in styles
very different to mainstream gamers..
                Living in an area where gaming is a rarity you get the
opportunity to observe from a distance so to speak.. I find the way in
which gaming has split into wargamers and GW'ers very sad.. as a wargamer I
think GW have given a lot to gaming and in particular to figure standards..
Like them or loathe them their figures, price apart, are stunning and the
standard of painting they have inspired in a whole generation of gamers is
self evident to one such as I who visited conventions in the 70's and is
left gobsmacked by the beautiful modelling and terrain I see now.. To
ignore their products out of principle as do many gamers, is to lose a
source of fuigures and ideas.. Conversely many gamers go through their whole
existence thinking that the sun rises in the region of GW's rear orifice and
believe that unless it wears a GW logo then its pure crap.. It's all a
great shame because if you "pick n mix" you can end up with great games and
great figure collections..
      Finally another post bemoaned the lack of figures for Epic... Well if
your not a GW purist then other figures and damn fine ones at that are
available.. My own favourite for human "Empire" figures are the Ground zero
Games dirtside range. They have about 8 different packs and I have assembled
some very smart units from these figures as, I suppose you would label them,
"imperial guard" .GZG also have an alien pack.. Other suppliers producing
"Nice" figures are Scotia and Adler.. All are adaptable if you are not "an
adherent of chapter approved.. I have been helped by finding many years ago
a box of some 300 squats at a bring and buy all of which were equipped with
heavy bolters or rocket launchers.. With These I separate the weapons from
the figure and stick them to my substitute ranges to give them a 40k feel
but it's not really necassary.. if anyone would like to see some scans of
painted examples I would be happy to oblige . just send me your E address
and I will mail you the pics..
     Anyway enough rambling for now..

         Bob deAngelis

> I couldn't agree more. I began as a historical wargamer in the 70's and
it
> was a real hobby industry. The people who wrote the rules didn't produce
> the minis and I got used to writing and adapting rulesets. I still have a
> bias that I like customised rules and I always try to customise mini's.
>
> A game which has loads of new modules pumped out is not necessarily
> supported -it's just a marketing technique. I still have rule sets which
> are well over a decade old and which give as good a game as ever. There
has
> been real progress in rules and in minis and wargamers are now much better
> provided for than ever before but don't judge the whole industry by GW's
> standards.
>
> Peter's point about spending more time raising the armies than playing is
a
> sore point. I realised years ago that i was doing this. I still enjoy
> planning and raising armies and writing rulesets probably more than I do
the
> actual gaming. I have several games where I have raised the armies and
> never actually played the game.
>
>
> As I mostly solo game (for lack of opponents apart from my brother when he
> visits and my son aged 9 coming on 20) I don't have a problem varying
rules
> but, when I played regularly I played with groups who were also prepared
to
> amend rulesets. As long as you do it in advance of the game it works
fine -
> oh and avoid cheesy players



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