Re: [Epic] Epic 30,000 Space Marine Army List Part I (LONG)

From: J. Michael Looney <mlooney_at_...>
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 14:42:28 -0500

Erik K. Rutins wrote:

> Hey, JM it's only been a day since you posted this stuff and some of us
> are busy watching football on Sundays! <grin> I appreciate your work
> and here's a response to keep you from feeling ignored.
>

Football? Don't get me started on that....

> > 1 Commander Terminator Stand 50 pts.
>
> i.e. Terminator stand + Command or Terminator Stand + Hero, Command. If
> the latter, do you get two saves? (I assume yes, since one is the
> 'heroic' save, the other for the armor).
>

Didn't think about that. Would be double save. It's what E40K would call
a "Chapter Master" in a Termi suit.

> > Battalion HQ Detachment: (142 pts. plus cost of platoons)
> > 1 Space Marine Battalion Commander ("Captain") 50 pts.
> > Upgraded to Assault
>
> Okay, so this is a Space Marine Stand + Hero, Assault? Or + Jump Packs
> too? 20cm move, 15cm range, 7 Assault Value - like a current Space Wolf
> Blood Claw Captain. Does this guy have Command too?

What the unit is 2 stands of Assult Marines, one of which is the commander.
You could do it asHero+Assault+Jump Packs or
Hero+Jump Packs, depending on how much cheeze wizz you feel like using that
day.
He has command if and only if you allow more than one "Supreme Commander" in
an army.
By logic, he should have the commander rating (ask any current or ex-grunt
about having the battalion commander watching over you), but if you are of
the feeling that only the highest ranking dude on the field gets this, well
the regimental commander ranks this guy.


> > from the Space Marine Platoon Lists. Note that the "Razorback" option
> > is not available for Horus Heresy era games.
>
> Only the Razorback is new since 30,000? Talk about stagnation...
>

No, of the extra's for a command element only the Razorback is new. Not the
same thing.I should have mention that if it's not in the list of platoons
you can't have it. Notice that T-Hawks are NOT on the list.

> > A regiment has a total of 27 to 42 space marine platoons (27 line
>
> I like your description of line and support platoon organization. A bit
> confusing at first but it makes sense on a second read-through.
>

Thank you. It was sort of hard to get across what I meant.

> > Tactical Platoon (unlimited)
> > 4 Tactical Squads (8 units) 120 pts.
> > Mounted in 4 Rhinos 148 pts.
> > Mounted in 4 Land Raiders 280 pts.
>
> EVERYONE gets land raiders? I thought I read somewhere that the old
> Land Raiders didn't have the ability to transport troops?
>

Nope, from SM-1 Land Raiders can hump troops. SM-1 Whirlwinds can hump
troops also.

> > Terminator Platoon (up to 12 per regiment) [yes, this means that you
> > could have a full battalion]
>
> Wow.
>
> > Dreadnought Platoons (up to 12 per Regiment)
> > 5 Dreadnoughts 135 pts.
>
> Again, Wow. That's a lotta Dreads.
>

Yeah, in the example the guy talks about having an all Dreadnought company.

> > Robot Platoons (up to 9 per Regiment)
> > 5 Robots [Not in E40K See E41K list]
>
> Interesting - why did the Space Marines stop using 'em?
>
> > Jet Bike Platoon (unlimited)
> > 5 Jet Bikes [Not in E40K See E41K list]
>
> Cool, now to find some models...
>
> > [See E41K for why this is different from a Land Speeder Platoon]
>
> Okay, I'll get on that in a sec.
>
> > Drop Pod Platoon (up to 6 per regiment) 120 pts.
> > Each Drop Pod Platoon has enough drop pods to support 2 infantry
> > platoons
>
> Interesting choice to make the player pay for drop pods. Will they have
> abilities/stats or just as the standard E40k drop pods?
>

Well, they cost 500 points in SM-1 for a drop pod detachment, which is the
same cost as Tactical detachment.The "cool" pod are Space Wolf only.
Space Wolves are also the only ones to get Thuderbolt landing craft. The
codex detachents are just drop pods, and the rules for them are pretty much
the same.


> Very neat post, waiting eagerly for the legion-specific stuff.
>

Hopefully today or tonight.

Yeay I know, you will look at after Monday Night Feetsballs.
Received on Mon Oct 06 1997 - 19:42:28 UTC