Re: [Epic] Titans and CC (a new theory...)

From: Tony Christney <acc_at_...>
Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 10:25:29 -0800

Wow, what can I say but you are one stubborn individual. However,
there have been way too many posts on this circular logic of the rules.
I would say that it is accounting for most of the "discussion" on the
list. It is also going nowhere. In lieu of your complaint that the
Net Epic thread was taking up too much bandwidth, I will say the same
about this thread. I vote we can it. (yes it is early, and yes I am
grumpy).

At least now I know why they call you Agro and not Brett.




>At 07:39 PM 6/3/97 -0800, you (Tony) wrote:
>>>Brett Hollindale wrote:
>>>> I don't know Chad, I issued the challenge "you don't need to defend
>>>>titans",
>>>> and what I have so far is four (count 'em - 4!) replies suggesting that
>>>> while it is a valid interpretation, "we're sure that's not what GW meant",
>>>> one reply of "no I haven't checked the rules 'cause whether it says that or
>>>> not I'll continue to insist that we do it MY way" and a suggestion that I
>>>> "drop the subject for pity's sake"...
>>>
>>>It seems that your interpretation of the rules relies on the
>>>definition of pinning. That is to say:
>>> are you pinned when in base to base contact OR
>>> when engaged in close combat
>>>I believe you mentioned that you weren't sure about this yourself
>>>[snip]
>>>Colin P
>>>9404237p_at_...
>>
>>Page 32, Titan Legions, Entering Close Combat:
>>
>>"Emperor class Titans and Mega-Gargants can move into close combat at will,
>>but other models must be on charge orders to move into contact with enemy
>>models in the movement phase. As soon as a troop stand or vehicle model
>>touches an enemy they are both engaged in close combat and stop moving
>>immediately if they are pinned (see below). Models with advance..."
>>
>>p. 33. Titans and Gargants in Close Combat:
>>
>>"In order to fight against a Titan or Gargant in close combat vehicles,
>>super heavy vehicles and troop stands must move into contact with the model
>>itself, usually moving so that they touch the model's feet (or equivalent).
>>
>>"A Titan is able to lean forward, sweeping the ground to its front and side.
>>To represent this a Titan can always opt to fight a close combat with models
>>in contact with its base (if it has one), even if the enemy are not actually
>>touching the Titan's feet.
>>
>>"Enemy models that can fly or leap over large distances can also fight if they
>>are touching the Titan's base - they don't need to be touching the Titan's
>>feet. This applies to skimmers, flyers and jump pack-equipped troops.
>>
>>"When two Titans or Gargants fight each other it is sufficient to move the
>>models so that their bases are touching. Both can then fight."
>>
>>It would seem that all of the cases in the second quote are exceptions
>>to the general case in the first quote. Also, they quite clearly indicate
>>that models are not pinned until they come into contact with the enemy
>>model, not its base.
>
>I think that the fact that you can only engage in CC if you are in contact
>with the model combined with the fact that skimmers can CC the titan if they
>in contact with its base add up to the base being part of the model... (The
>fact that it is molded in one piece with the feet is a bit of a giveaway too
>:-)
>
>
>> Sorry Agro, but it seems as if your theory has been
>>refuted by the evidence.
>>
>>Tony Christney
>>acc_at_...
>>
>>
>
>
>It seems to me that the quotes you have taken so much effort to type in
>(thankyou!) prove my point rather than disprove it.
>
>1. You can only CC something if you make contact with the model.
>2. You can CC a titan if you are in contact with the base.
>
>which gives us...
>
>3. The base is part of the model.
>
>
>
>
>This being the case, don't you "stop moving immediately" you are pinned by
>the enemy model as it states in the first of your quotes above?
>
>Agro

  Tony Christney
  acc_at_...
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